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Posted: Mar 28th 2012 7:37PM wesmagyar said

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@warpax lol don't judge eve from CAOD... those people don't represent eve, most of them are professional trolls.
as for what happened at fanfest i believe it was blown way out of proportion. sure the comment wasn't in the best taste but come on he is a goon. if you take what he says seriously your crazier then i am...
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Posted: Mar 28th 2012 7:51PM Wensbane said

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@Heathengamer

It doesn't help that this guy was supposed to be one of the duly elected representatives of the community.
He didn't just appear out of nowhere, he had the unconditional support of a *lot* of players.

In fact, I checked the official forums yesterday, and there were still hundreds of people there defending his actions and saying that "any publicity is good publicity" for EVE.
That leads me to believe that this kind of behavior extends far beyond a single immature individual, in a position of power.

When I played EVE, I always got the feeling that the community, at large, was nothing short of paranoid. In order to join a simple guild (corporation), I had to go through several job interviews and trial periods.

It was surreal, but I figured there must be some valid reason for that kind of behavior.
Well here it is. *This*, right here, is the reason!
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Posted: Mar 28th 2012 9:45PM halfcaptain said

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@Wensbane

The job interviews aren't just a dick-test. It's so that you can't plant 'spies,' or insulated alts that might gain your trust and access to your assets only to betray you. That said, it is a video game, and all types of idiots play video games. It's nice to know what kind of idiot you're hiring, is all.
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Posted: Mar 28th 2012 9:59PM halfcaptain said

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@warpax

So you don't agree that Heathengamer, in his own personal experience, 'found the vast majority of players to be helpful'? Come off it, man. You read a few threads of the forum and you've concluded that it's "clear that a large number of Eve's playerbase share the same mentality [as the Mittani]"? Specious at best, man.

I, for one, have always found the Mittani to be be a smarmy, self-important prick. He's smart, but he knows it and belittles others. That said, he has done some fine work with the CSM and CCP in the past. It is my opinion, and the opinion of most of the dudes I fly with, that he crossed the line. He should never have taken the stage drunk, nor should he have made a joke in such poor taste, nor named names for that matter. It was supremely poor judgement, yes, but is it a reflection of the Eve playerbase? I don't think so. If anything, seeing threads with Goons rallying in support of Mittani, who was so obviously wrong, should show us how truly diverse the Eve playerbase is.
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Posted: Mar 28th 2012 10:05PM Digestivo said

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@Wensbane
The reason you're looking for is called freedom. You know, corps try to avoid spies and stuff. If you're looking for a game on rails where the most interesting topic among its *guilds* is the color of the light saber or the amount of dungeons you may run before wining the game, you know where to go.
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Posted: Mar 29th 2012 12:38AM WolvenSpectre said

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@Heathengamer

Thank you. as someone who has helped allot of new players that dropped in blind with almost no guidance back when the NPE in EVE was much harder I am glad that someone actually spoke up for the majority of us and not the trolls and haters on the EVE forums or the griefing PVPers that seem to get all the mentions.

It has even been coming from people working for this site, but what all these EVE bashers don't realize is they are acting like they are polite versions of what they are claiming to hate.

Anyway thanks for the positive mention.

Oh and on topic, I think the 'sentence' is appropriate. For years I have been waiting for something like this to happen at one of these hard drinking panels and could not figure out how CCP thought they could get away with it.

IF he wasn't drunk I would have wanted 1 year bad from playing at minimum and preferably Permabanned with a set ban for anyone who decided to take part in the suggestion to bully. I would have also suggested a sanction and fine be placed on Goonswarm and its members since hes the CEO.
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Posted: Mar 28th 2012 7:39PM Wild Colors said

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Part of the fun of EVE is that you can relax from the usual social rules of life and concentrate on...well, warfare, including a large psychological component. I don't think EVE should discourage this ingame per se, though it's obviously a problem when it spills out of the game. The ability to be a ruthless evil bastard is a big part of the attraction of games like EVE, and rightfully so, since it's something that we (hopefully) don't get to do in real life.

Posted: Mar 28th 2012 7:56PM MorbidCuriousity said

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@Wild Colors

What the hell are you talking about?

The company has outright said they support this behavior in game. The entire game is DESIGNED to encourage this type of behavior. CCPs response to detractors is usually something like:

It's a sandbox. If you don't like all the gankers then build an alliance to fight the pirates.

Except what CCP doesn't mention is that a gate-camp can and will just run the second something they can't fight shows up. Then they'll just wait and come back because you won't be able to find or catch them.

Game systems support camping and ganking in small scale engagements. The only way to get a real fight going is larger scale engagements. You need more ships to stop a gate camp than you do to camp a gate, so most people find the entire exercise futile.
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Posted: Mar 28th 2012 8:23PM Tanesis said

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@MorbidCuriousity "The company has outright said they support this behavior in game. The entire game is DESIGNED to encourage this type of behavior."

Incorrect. CCP judged the Mittens to have broken the ToS and as such have issued a 30 day ban. Thus they do NOT support this type of behaviour. While scamming is a legitamate part of the game CCP ARE VERY clear on what is or what is not allowed.

"Except what CCP doesn't mention is that a gate-camp can and will just run the second something they can't fight shows up. Then they'll just wait and come back because you won't be able to find or catch them."

Massively incorrect. While gate camps can run it is very easy to hunt people down using locators. Also using neatral alts can make gate camps pointless. In empire. Obviously the game changes in different security space. Though I doubt you played long enough to work that out.

"Game systems support camping and ganking in small scale engagements. The only way to get a real fight going is larger scale engagements. You need more ships to stop a gate camp than you do to camp a gate, so most people find the entire exercise futile. "

Totally wrong. While most fights tend to gravitate around gates/stations that is where player concentration is highest. In regards to breaking camps you are misinformed. With the right ship types 5 players could easily drive away a camp of 10

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Posted: Mar 28th 2012 10:54PM BluegrassGeek said

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@Tanesis A 30 day ban is barely a slap on the wrist. They're condoning his behavior by letting him keep his account at ALL.

He was encouraging people to help drive an already emotionally damaged person to suicide. His account should be permanently revoked, not put on vacation.
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Posted: Mar 29th 2012 12:29AM (Unverified) said

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@BluegrassGeek More like some of you guys are like the villagers coming out with pitchforks, I MOST DEFINITELY do not condone his actions, and tbh completely hate the guy and am glad he as resigned (most likely forcibly by CCP) but the ban is expected, just because it's high profile doesn't mean it changes the steps CCP takes, which is most likely first time is a 30 day ban.

Just because he's CSM chairman who cheated his way into chairman (hated by most of the EVE-O community, yet won by 6k more votes than 2nd place, yea that wasn't rigged by his alliance at all) doesn't mean that treat his offense any differently, if he does it again, I assume the penalty will be much more severe
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Posted: Mar 28th 2012 7:48PM MorbidCuriousity said

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Shocking. CCP didn't actually do anything. None of these people are going to learn a thing or fear reprisal from CCP.

Mittani can still direct his corp without logging in to the game. As long as he has a skill in queue (which I doubt since he's probably learned everything) then his character is still going to get skill points. Worst thing that happens to him is he loses a month's subscription...oooooooo, SCARY!

CCP did exactly what most of us thought they would do - which is nothing. I can guarantee that Mittani is going to make a thread about this that makes fun of CCP.

The entire Goon alliance needs to have a little fear of devs put in to them. They need to realize that there are consequences for their actions. But then again CCP probably supports the alliance.

Well, looks like CCP is going to go under in a few years. People are going to see straight through this and they aren't going to want to play any of the other projects they're working on. If the players of Eve really like the game then they will make CCP do what is right, because history has shown CCP doesn't know wtf they're doing. More often than not they do something, it pisses people off, then they make players do their design work and just implement whatever the players propose.

Posted: Mar 28th 2012 8:11PM Tanesis said

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@MorbidCuriousity "Shocking. CCP didn't actually do anything. None of these people are going to learn a thing or fear reprisal from CCP."

Incorrect. He got a 30 day ban which is the point of this article so CCP actually DID do something.

Mittani can still direct his corp without logging in to the game. As long as he has a skill in queue (which I doubt since he's probably learned everything) then his character is still going to get skill points. Worst thing that happens to him is he loses a month's subscription...oooooooo, SCARY!

Incorrect. A banned account cannot train skills. Nor can an inactive one.

CCP did exactly what most of us thought they would do - which is nothing. I can guarantee that Mittani is going to make a thread about this that makes fun of CCP.

Incorrect as above. He got a 30 day ban.

The entire Goon alliance needs to have a little fear of devs put in to them. They need to realize that there are consequences for their actions. But then again CCP probably supports the alliance.

As posted above The Mittani got a 30 day ban. Goons aren't given any preferential treatment ingame either so Incorrect.

Well, looks like CCP is going to go under in a few years......

Will be proven incorrect. CCP had a rocky road last year however in the interim period CCP have responded well to player criticism. The latest expansion is proof of that. Its a players expansion not a developer one.

Summery
You are either misinformed or are trying to besmirch CCP. EVERYTHING you have wrote is knee jerk casual hyperbole based on more fiction as fact.
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Posted: Mar 28th 2012 9:26PM halfcaptain said

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@MorbidCuriousity

Go under in a few years? Man, you've got to get your head out of your ass. Mittani given up his seat on this CSM and next, and for a guy that self-important and egotistical, that should serve as punishment enough. 30 days is only a month, as you so astutely pointed out for us, but I don't doubt that the damage Mr. Gianturco has done to his relationship with CCP will keep him out of the limelight for a long time. This kind of bad press won't go away in thirty days.

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Posted: Mar 30th 2012 9:24PM Daeths said

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@Tanesis Light punishment often sends more of a message of acceptance than no punishment at all. It reeks of " hey, we gotta do some thing, but we got you back so here's a light punishment. Go take a break and well see you in a Month." Its almost like teachers or cops being put on paid leave for gross violations of rules.
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Posted: Mar 28th 2012 7:54PM Ryn said

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Some justice, but not far enough. Mittani is NOT sorry, he realized his rear was in a sling and thought he better try to make good with everyone. CCP has shown that the support this kind of behavior by not outright banning this idiot. This is a clear indication that CCP needs to be vetted and cleared out. Others have gotten banned for life for much less. But because of his standing, he is given a pass.

If the management of CCP had any kind sense, this tool would be gone and EVE would be a better game for it. There is NO room for such an idiot in any game.

CCP, I know you read these comments. I am cancelling my sub. I am sure I am the first of many. I have supported you through thick and thin, but this is the last straw. Ban this moron and at the same time you send a message to the rest of the community that this behavior will not be tolerated. DO that and you can have my sub back. Not until then.

Posted: Mar 28th 2012 9:02PM Boardwalker said

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@Ryn

Cancelling your sub to a game because some drunken player, who probably has no relationship to you, only got a 30-day ban *and* can't serve on the CSM to which he was elected chairman? Unbelievable, lol.
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Posted: Mar 28th 2012 7:57PM (Unverified) said

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One less piece of filth having influence over a good game. Good riddance to him, perhaps the CSM can actually get some good done this year now.

Posted: Mar 28th 2012 8:43PM Tanesis said

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@(Unverified) Last year with the Mittani as CSM head was the most successful CSM to date. Crucible is the best expansion since Apocryphia and that has a lot to do with last years CSM. Sadly I suspect that this years CSM will be less effective
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Posted: Mar 28th 2012 7:58PM SergeGaltier said

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What the guy did was awful, and I totally agree that he should no longer be part of the CSM. But all the "omg EVE players are the worst evah!!!!!!!!!!" comments are retarded. I've played lots of online games and they all pretty much have some horrid people who are very vocal in their communities and EVE no more so than most other games.

What this guy said was bad, but it is not even close to the worst thing I've ever read or heard coming from an online game. Just because it happened in EVE people make it out like it is the worst of the worst.

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