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Posted: Mar 27th 2012 7:07PM (Unverified) said

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That is really disappointing to hear that Steam's not on the list :(

Posted: Mar 27th 2012 7:07PM (Unverified) said

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@(Unverified) And can we please get this Unverified thing fixed?
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Posted: Mar 27th 2012 7:09PM (Unverified) said

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@(Unverified) Why would they use steam. It seems they are going to sell digital copies themselves :/
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Posted: Mar 27th 2012 8:54PM Adeptus Enginus said

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Because Steam currently holds the monopoly on digital PC sales. Not including it, especially in a PC-exclusive release, will MAJORLY hurt you in a lot of ways. For every one person who hates steam, there's about ten who love it and three who won't buy anything that isn't available on it, as stupid as that is (and I'd fall into the second catagory.)

Given GW1 is on Steam, I expect GW2 will be purchasable on steam at some point, just not pre-purchasable, which to be fair has happened in the past.
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Posted: Mar 27th 2012 9:47PM (Unverified) said

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It may have something to do with Steam wanting to handle patches for any games sold through them. I can't remember exactly which game this particular controversy was centered around, but I do remember a few months ago a game was pulled from Steam because the dev wanted to do patches directly through the game.

Personally, if that is the issue, I hope they do bypass Steam. I have liked the game being patched directly through the client itself and I certainly would hate to go through extra steps just to patch it.
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Posted: Mar 27th 2012 10:01PM jazzbrownie said

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Updates through steam actually have less steps than patching a game yourself or within the client. Steam patches games automatically in the background.
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Posted: Mar 27th 2012 10:10PM Eamil said

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"Why would they use steam. It seems they are going to sell digital copies themselves :/ "

One of the community team members said a while ago on Twitter that they would be doing digital sales through other digital distribution sites, otherwise I'd understand it.

I don't think any digital distributors are listed on the current list at all, so I'm hoping Steam gets prepurchases later.
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Posted: Mar 27th 2012 10:14PM Eamil said

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@(Unverified) about updates:

That was about Valve wanting companies to sell their DLC through Steam instead of exclusively through external means (i.e. Bioware only selling Mass Effect 2 DLC through their web site), not about patching. Non-Steamworks games can patch through Steam or separately - GW1 still updates through the client even if you own it on Steam.
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Posted: Mar 28th 2012 12:41AM Adeptus Enginus said

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You'd be refering to the EA Debacle. When BF3 was on it's way, Steam got pissed off at EA for the fact that they sold all of their DLCs exclusively through back-ways to cut distribution services out o the loop. This was made doubly-annoying in that steam has a DLC management system in place that automatically downloads and installs every DLC you have, as opposed to EA's means by which you pretty much have to download and manually install every single one with the exception of DA:O.

Either way, they got into an altercation over DA2 due to the day-one DLC they wanted to included, which resulted in DA2's Digital Deluxe edition being unavailable for pre-order on Steam. Then when BF3 began to roll around, Steam got into another altercation with them since it was apparent they had the full intentions of doing the same thing again, and that one resulted in Crysis 2 and DA2 being pulled from steam entirely, and EA creating Origins so that they could achieve 100% profit from all their digital distributions and further control how their fans play their games.
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Posted: Mar 28th 2012 8:47AM Graill440 said

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Yep, not having steam on the list is a deal breaker for me, not because i might not buy it, i will wait and see, but i have a couple games worth of credits on steam and would rather spend those when the time comes. Easy enough to wait.
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Posted: Mar 28th 2012 4:03PM digitalheadbutt said

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@Eamil

Amazon does digital editions. I got my Rift Digital Deluxe from Amazon.

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Posted: Mar 27th 2012 7:08PM Zetsuei said

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I love how they don't give a reason why we can't pre-purchase it on Steam when April 10th comes, but then they say it might be there at launch.

I am really excited for GW2, but ArenaNet/NCsoft's marketing/business side is terrible. If they honestly expect people to buy the game twice, it really shows their incompetence at how to actually give us options at how to buy the game.

Posted: Mar 27th 2012 7:11PM elixabethclaire said

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Why on EARTH would you buy it twice?
Steam evidently hasn't agreed to go through with pre-purchase. That's on Steam, not ANet. These are lists of pre-purchase vendors, which is different from those who'll carry the game at launch or for pre-order.
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Posted: Mar 27th 2012 7:26PM smartstep said

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What? I mean like WHAT?

Why you would buy game 2 times?

Just don't buy it on steam , you know it is not compulsory and game makers does not have to sell games there.

You know that by supporting steam so much you're strenghtening it's position and that mean less competition ,less competition mean worse conditions for consumers.

A.net did not go with Steam for pre-purcharse propably cause they could not agree about financial details.
Maybe younhavent heard but Steam is quite expensive for publisher , some say it takes more cut than retail shops...
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Posted: Mar 27th 2012 7:28PM alucard3000 said

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I think some people like the steam "achievements" thing, which you don't get if you add a game after validating it elsewhere.
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Posted: Mar 27th 2012 8:36PM Hikoro said

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@smartstep "less competition mean worse conditions for consumers."

Competition kills, in a monetary system that is. In competition there is always a loser, we call that bankrupt. And in order to prevent that , you have to fire people, those people will have to find another job, which can be hard in these times, leading to depression which could further lead to suicide.

Money was invented as means of exchange,
i want your cow but i only have a sock, you don't want my sock, you want a bicycle.
But john wants a sock and he has a bicycle so i trade john my sock for it and now i have a bicycle to trade for your cow. You can see how money is useful here.

But since then, we have grown, we have the tools to eliminate scarcity, so we don't need money anymore, but sadly, old habits die hard.

So we continue to compete for money.
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Posted: Mar 27th 2012 9:26PM Tizmah said

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@smartstep Just throwing this out there. Steam gives better deals than any other game market out there, retail or digital. So...I guess a monopoly ain't so bad if you know how to do it right, huh?
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Posted: Mar 27th 2012 9:52PM (Unverified) said

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Do you really want to find out what will happen if Steam were to become a true monopoly? I sure wouldn't.

Not to mention, when did this mentality come to be that other developers have to cater to Steam? Valve is a developer themselves, and as such, a competitor. Honestly, the way Steam is going, it may be time for regulators to move in and force Steam to spun off as an entirely seperate company.
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Posted: Mar 28th 2012 12:54AM Adeptus Enginus said

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You realize that in 2009, Steam was estimated to control 70% of the digital distribution market in the world, right? Steam is already what would be considered a monopoly in the modern economy, and for that matter it has been for years. The Witcher 2 was estimated by ProjecktCD to have sold 80% of it's copies via Steam; and they have their own distribution service in GOG.com

Also, it would be impossible for them to force steam to branch off into it's own company; it's not a subsidiary, it's a software service. It just happens to be a very dynamic software service that appears more complex than it really is. The majority of Steamworks is entirely automated.
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Posted: Mar 28th 2012 7:44AM smartstep said

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It is entirelly those people business though.

If they think that those achievements are worth second copy then well it is their own thing and not A.net or anybody else 'fault'.

Of course I would call a decision to buy second copy just for sake of steam achievements stupid.
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