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Posted: Mar 27th 2012 3:53AM Blay said

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@Marchosias
Pretty much, screwed up people like this guy are only sorry when they get caught. CCP needs to make a statement with this guy and get him out of a position of power and hopefully out of the game. Eve for the longest time has only made news when bad things happen where as other games tend to get a free pass on scams/harassment.

CCP could change this if they start to come down hard on these type people and maybe the games reputation will improve.
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Posted: Mar 27th 2012 3:11AM Transientmind said

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What's more disgusting to me, having read the apology, is the chorus of salutes and cheers and 'we love you!' cries from the rest of the playerbase.

Guy acts like a complete asshole and apologises for it?
HERO.

Not that I'm surprised. Spreadsheets Online: Sociopaths in Space. It's a moral vaccum, basically 4chan with space-ships. Its primary purpose should be to tie up all the detritus of MMO-playing Internet into one condensed wasteland, the hell away from the games played by decent human beings.

Seriously. People need to be saying, "Good. Don't do it again. And maybe think about your life a bit and what made you have those thoughts in the first place." Not: "We love you don't step down as chairman!"

Alcohol does not turn you into some Mr. Hyde monster with a completely different personality. All it does is loosen your inhibitions. That sociopathic, sadistic behaviour IS still there under the surface, and gaming is merely the outlet for it.

Guy needs psychiatric help, not pats on the back.

Posted: Mar 27th 2012 3:24AM TitusGroan said

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@Transientmind

"Not that I'm surprised. Spreadsheets Online: Sociopaths in Space. It's a moral vaccum, basically 4chan with space-ships. Its primary purpose should be to tie up all the detritus of MMO-playing Internet into one condensed wasteland, the hell away from the games played by decent human beings."

Easy there, son. No need to bash EVE as a whole because one player acted like an asshole while drunk.

The game might be harsh and unforgiving but it's not the mental asylum for the criminally insane you make it out ot be.

I agree this guy's behaviour is unforgivable (especially since he's a player representative), but that does not make EVE a lesser game.
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Posted: Mar 27th 2012 3:51AM Transientmind said

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@TitusGroan

Alright. I'll cop to some vitriol, there. Every demographic has its outliers... just like there are probably innocent men in prison. But not as many as claim to be.

This isn't a '30 day free trial' impression we're talking about, here. I was there a few years. I've seen the forums and the behaviour of pilots first-hand.

If I were to be saintly tolerant and charitable beyond reason, I would say this:

EVE is a game about kicking down sand-castles, which laughs unapologetically at people who think it is a game about building sandcastles.

The ugly truth?
EVE could be made more PVE than it is, in an attempt to draw a wider audience, but it'd never work. People might cite the challenge of facing off against another player, compared to a computer, but this is self-delusion. AI can be programmed with any number of responses to completely outclass even 'good' players. It's NOT challenge the players crave... it's the knowledge of having beaten another person. And with the prevalance of newbie-curbstomping and completely out-matched battles, it's not even the knowledge of a worthy foe defeated that appeals... it's the knowledge of having ruined someone's day.

Sadistic and sociopathic is the rule, not the exception.
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Posted: Mar 27th 2012 4:39AM Digestivo said

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@Transientmind
Extending the behaviour of an individual to the whole community is something utterly dumb. Just my 2 cents.
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Posted: Mar 27th 2012 4:40AM jmerriex said

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@Transientmind I have to agree. I played EVE for a time (about a year and a half) and found that to be true. Add that to the almost quarterly "DRAMA-COUPS" and most logical people will walk away saying A) This game breeds drama and unethical behavior and/or B) This game's player base is the pit of the human cesspool.

I also agree this guy is just upset he got caught. I say funny things, but NEVER at the expense of others - ESPECIALLY not calling out specific people like that. What he did, I would argue was more than just happenstance. It was a deliberative act to mention the story - in which he basically scammed the player - then go so far as to name the guy AND THEN tell others to encourage him to kill himself. I spend most Saturday's working the Trevor Hotline and it's assholes like this guy who are the real problem with the world.
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Posted: Mar 27th 2012 6:17AM TitusGroan said

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@Transientmind

@Transientmind

You seem terribly upset about the design of a computer game trying to simulate a virtual world. Why? Because it's not living up to your lofty ideals of knightly behaviour and fair and balanced fights?

Sorry, but the world is not fair and balanced, and a virtual world is no different. EVE, being a sandbox, allows for many different playstyles - griefing among them. But griefing is not the ONLY viable playstyle, as the games provides multiple other ways of interacting with the world and the other players.

While ffa PvP (including scamming, ninja salvaging, and similar activities) and corp warfare (including espionage and such) are part of the game mechanics, systematic griefing a la Goonswarm is not the majority's prefered way of playing EVE. Believe it or not, but one does not have to be a psycopath to enjoy the freedom and challenge of a game featuring open-ended gameplay.

As for your comment avout more PVE = less griefing, I'll have to respectfully disagree. For example, WoW (and similar games) is full of griefing idiots, hiding behind the game's limited mechanics. At least EVE's open and free structure gives you the opportunity to fight back and to grief the griefers.

It's interesting to see how the EVE hate surfaces when this kind of thing happens; infuriated moralists try to outdo each other's posts on how the game is Hell on Earth and should be treated like a leper colony by any sane person. Amusing really. Why can't you just accept that one MMO, among thousands, is more than a safe PVE themepark?
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Posted: Mar 27th 2012 9:31AM Kalex716 said

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@Transientmind

I'm not so sure to think that a videogame can attract such an exact and dispicable cross section of humanity as a whole isn't just as crazy as this guy is. Grow up, and stop stigmatizing an entire playerbase, it only makes you look ignorant too.

Seriously, we're all GAMERS here, and just because EVE creates an environment where the people that play it, have to work together which will undoubtedly bring out the best and sometimes the worst in people doesn't mean its attracting anybody 'different'. Its a game built around emergant content, which means interactions are meaningful. Both good and bad. Open your eyes, people only ever hear about the "bad" in EVE. People that play EVE are your neighbors, they go to the same schools you did, they went to the same churches. They played on your youth sports team as a kid, and they work in the cube behind you now. Sure, you do have to be into a particularly different type of game to find EVE attractive, but to think this means they're more inclined to sociopathetic tendancies isn't very classy either dude.

Remember, its just a game. I'd probably say the same thing to the twit who gave that panel speech too right now if I could... That shouldn't make you very proud.
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Posted: Mar 27th 2012 9:41AM Kalex716 said

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@TitusGroan

PVE is guised in PVP all the same too (in EVE).

Even the lowliest, passive, peaceful miner takes his wares to market, sells them for isk and profit. The minerals he mined, are bought, traded, and processed to make potential weapons and ammo that might just be used to blow that very same miner up in the future.

PVE'ers in EVE, are just arms dealers. They're not innocent either.
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Posted: Mar 27th 2012 10:53AM PhelimReagh said

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@Transientmind
Just be glad all of these sociopaths have EVE to play, which hopefully keeps them out of most other MMOs.
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Posted: Mar 27th 2012 12:23PM StClair said

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@PhelimReagh
Honestly? I am.
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Posted: Mar 27th 2012 1:50PM Space Cobra said

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@PhelimReagh

Don't be so sure about that.

GoonSwarm have a saying/motto about having a group (splinter group) in every (western) MMO out there, although that tends to be initially at launch and drops off.

First heard about them on STO (and I am pretty sure Alec/Mitt was in that guild-fleet) during a pretty serious incident that was not too far-off this current flap. I even have seen some folks on CoH chat with Goons.

Just "tread lightly".
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Posted: Mar 27th 2012 2:41PM Calfis said

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@Transientmind

TBH there are too many games out there that pat ppl on the back for beating computers. Some people just like competition for competitions sake. Whats wrong with that?

Sure sandcastles get kicked over but there are huge sandcastles that are tough to kick over like the one being led by Mittani. Imagine the joy of being able to beat goons, there is a market for this kind of a game and the vanilla MMO market is a greater testament to way EVE should stay EVE.
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Posted: Mar 27th 2012 2:46PM StClair said

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@Calfis
And some people would like to build elaborate castles without constantly worrying/fearing that someone's going to come along and kick it over just for "teh lulz", or worse, *specifically* for the thrill of causing a real but "lesser" person grief and destroying something they worked on.

That's why we have our games, and you have yours.
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Posted: Mar 27th 2012 3:11AM Pharaoh said

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anyone can show remorse for actions committed while under the influence, even one as well-written and seemingly genuine as this one. apologies can be sincere and accepted by those who may have been affected or by the institutions in charge of enforcing the rules & laws.

even as an on-and-off EVE player since 2005, i have no personal stake in any of the politics that takes place in null-sec space for the most part.
but the actions of this elected player representative transcend the game of EVE, and he should no longer hold this position nor perhaps even be allowed to maintain his account. an accepted apology does not equate to accountability. what he did at that conference was little better than getting behind the wheel of a vehicle, given his 'condition'.

CCP can hardly afford more negative public relations issues given what it has been through in the last year already.

Posted: Mar 28th 2012 4:18AM kgptzac said

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@Pharaoh

Pretty much this. As a chairman of CSM, his action is the very antithesis of his position. The CSM is not only a intermediate platform between the players and CCP, it's also a showcase for CCP and the Eve player as a whole. Removal from CSM is a suitable (minimal) punishment for him.

Great power (or fame) comes with great responsibility. Some need to learn it the hard way.
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Posted: Mar 27th 2012 3:37AM Brockobama321 said

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Is this what we call a "Sincere" apology these days? This idiot needs ot be banned. The fact is nothing he does now will revert what he did, and the victim is forever going to be labeled among the Eve online community. He'll never be safe from harassment. The video game community is notoriously bad for handling people who suffer from depression, and now someone who's openly suicidal is going to be a target.

If CCP honestly cares the least they can do is ban this guy.

Posted: Mar 27th 2012 3:45AM Dol said

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This ^ .

Posted: Mar 27th 2012 3:45AM Space Cobra said

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Some other comments I am seeing: Equating his actions to other actions.

As much as I do not like his kind of Cyber-Bullying, you really cannot equate DWI, Murder, Rape with what he did. It is true, these people don't appreciate what Cyber-Bullying does (or maybe they do and that is WHY they still practice it) and the court system does not allow much room for "pain and suffering" in most cases; such a thing can be difficult to prove in a court of law, much less putting a price on it.

At most, to be fair and just (and yeah, being fair can "bite") you could equate this to "damaging one's reputation" and "promoting harassment against an individual". The unfortunate thing is, in a court of US law, IMO, the guy would have to actually commit suicide and THEN you can prosecute him. Unfortunately, we do not have that situation here.

And I don't think an account ban would work in this case; too easy for him to come back into game with the help of his friends. Don't think an IP ban would help, either. And really, I'd be very surprised if CCP asks any thing more from Mitty or impose anything upon him. This will die down and things will go back to normal in the game. At least a few more potential players are shown the nature of the players and the game. It can be a good game, but it does have it's very not-nice qualities among it's community.

Posted: Mar 27th 2012 3:49AM augustgrace said

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Is Fanfest sponsored by CCP? Because if so, it seems like the company is liable if they don't take a harsh stance.

Honestly he should have been called out and banned on the spot.

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