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Posted: Mar 26th 2012 3:07PM (Unverified) said

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@Gojant

Same here. Some of the precious event coverage actually got me wanting to reactivate my accounts again..... then this his Jacka$$ reminded me of one of New Eden's greatest flaws....their inhabitants. Not that all of them, or even the majority of them are scumbags like this, but the game does seem cater to this type unfortunately.
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Posted: Mar 26th 2012 3:11PM Gojant said

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@WolvenSpectre

I absolutely agree that a large population of Eve players are not scammers. But that still leaves too many for me to consider the game even for a moment.

And I mainly blame CCP for encouraging this behavior. Other games ban scammers, CCP seems to enjoy it as it draws them press. Are there even banable offenses in Eve? The only one I can note is botting.

In a sandbox, anyone can stomp on your sand-castle. But who the hecks wants to build stomp fodder for jerks like Mittens?
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Posted: Mar 26th 2012 5:06PM VikingGamer said

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@Gojant

You can get tempbanned for can flipping in those starter systems but anywhere else those scams would be fair play. The only other thing I can think of is that they will ban you if you try to scam people in relation to one of their charity campaigns. Like the whole thing that happened a while back in Haiti. CCP setup a system where you could donate PLEX back to them and they would take the full purchase value and pass it on to relief services. Very cool stuff. But they made it super clear that anyone caught scamming people who were donating, like pretending to be the CCP person that you sent donations to, would be punished. I think it sent a strong message that while scamming is a part of the game, they would not be a part of scamming that impacted the real world. This at least is good.

I do agree thought that the tacit encouragement of in game scamming does draw the worst of or society's social misfits to this game. And while many or even most players are reasonably decent, the Goons do seen to have attracted the worst of the worst, of which Mittens is the leader. On the Eve forums, the threadnaught that was produced by someone suggesting that Mittens be deposed and banned was pretty amazing to watch unfold. The Goons, almost to a person, in their defense of their precious leader displayed some of the worst sociopathic babble I have ever seen in one place on the internet. The Goons really are the worst of the worst.

But that said, I have been can flipped and harrassed by a pirate that turned out to be pretty cool. I tried my best to defend myself and get him back but not understanding how things worked he basically chewed me and my friend up and spit us out. But after loosing a few ships I got to talking to him and he ended up explaining to me exactly what I did wrong and how to avoid it. He then dropped a few million isk in my account and said that I was going to learn most of my lessons by getting blowing up. That has turned out to be true.
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Posted: Mar 26th 2012 5:14PM Tanesis said

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@Gojant While scams in EvE are perfectly viable gameplay, and I for one encourage CCPs stance on this, RL threats and insults are not. Punishments range from temp banning from chat pannels to permabans in very severe cases. Such as this.

@SnarlingWolf "CCP has probably been looking for a reason to turf him since Monoclegate anyway." On the contrary Mittens seems to get on very well with CCP. Crucible is an example of that. Mittens went to Iceland for CCPs emergancy summit last year. Where things got done.

I think he should be made to apologise sure and ethically stand down as CSM chairman but I think that Mittens is the best man for the CSM chair.

Not a goon by the way. Goons = 90% of my killboard

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Posted: Mar 26th 2012 10:21PM arlow fixer said

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@jimr9999us not all eve players are sociopaths close to it thou
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Posted: Mar 26th 2012 1:37PM Stanimir said

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Completely unacceptable. Incidentally, he sucks at announcing the Alliance tournament, too. Perhaps he should say things to himself before saying it to others.

Posted: Mar 26th 2012 5:27PM (Unverified) said

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@Stanimir Not sure you know or care, but Mittens has never announced an Alliance Tournament. The only person on the panel who has is Michael Bolton III, who was too drunk to do very much other than jibber incoherently.
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Posted: Mar 26th 2012 1:37PM SnarlingWolf said

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On the one hand what this guy said and him trying to get others to go and poke the guy to see if he could be pushed over the edge is certainly bad.

On another hand can CCP possibly be surprised that their players would act that way? They have a game in which not only do they allow players to scam/destroy/all around ruin the game for other players, they almost relish in their game working that way and love stories about the biggest scams yet. Of course players who enjoy that, and run corporations which do that regularly, don't care about other people or what happens to them. It really shouldn't be all that shocking that this is how some EvE players act.

Posted: Mar 26th 2012 2:18PM Ref Minor said

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@SnarlingWolf
One is a game where the rules are known before you voluntarily enter the game. One is real life and if accurate in context inexcusable.
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Posted: Mar 26th 2012 3:36PM Mikx said

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@SnarlingWolf People routinely act like this in fluffy carebear games too. People are jerks.
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Posted: Mar 26th 2012 3:43PM Kalex716 said

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@SnarlingWolf

You are right. The good news is, everyone playing it actively participates in this sick dance.

Even the lowliest miner, grinds rocks for minerals, takes them to a market, and sells them for isk and profit. Those very same minerals can be piped, to make bullets and guns, that just might be used to blow him up tomorrow.

Everyone that plays EVE, is part of the "same compost heap". To quote the great Tyler Durden.
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Posted: Mar 26th 2012 1:39PM (Unverified) said

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"Even though this panel was billed as unfiltered by CCP, we expect public presentations to be courteous and professional towards others."

So, basically, it's unfiltered by CCP, except for the parts that are filtered by CCP.

I don't really support the message, but perhaps CCP shouldn't have had a panel that was completely unmoderated broadcast over their live stream for fanfest. That's really what is at issue there, if the panel had stayed in that room people would have been "oh hey lol joke" maybe some people would have gotten angry at Mittani for being outrageous (which is a little like getting mad at the sun for being bright, incidentally) and people would have moved on.

This just in, Mittani is a goon, goons can be horrible people.

Posted: Mar 26th 2012 1:47PM Brendan Drain said

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@(Unverified) As far as I am aware, this means that the current procedure is not to filter the material used in the talk so the speakers can present anything they want. Though filtering it wouldn't really help much as in this case it wasn't the slideshow that contained morally reprehensible content, it was what Alex said himself and there's no way to pre-filter that.

There are still questions about why the stream wasn't cut and whether The Mittani will be punished or have to make a formal apology. When we hear more about the results of the investigation, we'll update the post.
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Posted: Mar 26th 2012 1:55PM (Unverified) said

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@Brendan Drain

Thank you for the clarification.

Ultimately though, it doesn't change much. They know exactly what kind of person Mittani is, they knew what they were getting in to. I liken it to giving a bag of heroin to your friend who is a junkie, then getting angry when they do the heroin.

I look forward to watching how it unfolds, but if CCP demands he step down over it the irony won't be lost on me given that they run their game like an Ayn Rand paradise.
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Posted: Mar 26th 2012 5:43PM Sean D said

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@(Unverified)

The real issue doesn't lie with CCP, but with the speaker.

The problem with the line of thinking that you're presenting is that it presumes that one isn't guilty unless/until one gets caught. If one is more willing to say such things in private than they would be in public, they lack integrity. I sincerely hope that the majority of those present in the room at the time were just as offended as Massively's readership is, and CCP can't flip a switch to prevent them from hearing.
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Posted: Mar 26th 2012 6:34PM (Unverified) said

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@Sean D

That's my point exactly though. Mittani doesn't have any qualms about saying such things in public or private and CCP knows that. In fact, I would postulate that he has quite a bit more balls than any of us here because of it. This guy has a real name, a real job, and this shit has the potential to blow back on him in that real life whereas nothing we say has that potential.

The only time I have ever seen Mittani put his statements through a filter is when he is speaking as the CSM chairman, as opposed to a regular player or just himself. CCP could have easily avoided this by keeping his participation in panels official.
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Posted: Mar 26th 2012 1:42PM Unshra said

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This is rather sickening, encouraging others to help push someone over the edge who is expressing suicidal thoughts is not funny in the least no matter what Alex might have thought. A life lost is not worth whatever twisted entrainment value someone might get out of if.

Posted: Mar 26th 2012 1:46PM Amlin said

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CCP games are for the hardcore and ruthless, how their playerbase treats one another is unsurprising. If a person is unprepared or sensitive, they shouldn't be picking up CCP titles.

Posted: Mar 26th 2012 2:02PM Irem said

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@Amlin
People who think EVE's space politics are a goddamned way of life and are so caught up in their video game success that they can't stop dicking over other people even outside of it need professional help. "Hardcore and ruthless" is acceptable when everyone can turn off the computers and shake hands and say "good game." If a person can't stop at that point, the problem lies with them, not people who are supposedly "sensitive."
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Posted: Mar 26th 2012 3:03PM Amlin said

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@Irem I agree that people like that need to evaluate their life and values, but at the same time I believe that there's enough information out there to make educated choices if they want to interact with a community like that. It's like walking into a lions den and being surprised you get pounced on.
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