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Posted: Mar 23rd 2012 8:07AM Bhima said

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If they suddenly add gear to a game that is better than what you can obtain in game overall. Or sell you gear with great stats that would otherwise take you a lot of time and dedication to get.

Glad GW2 doesn't have this problem.

Posted: Mar 23rd 2012 11:03AM SnarlingWolf said

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@Bhima

Nice one.


I learned never to preorder a while ago so fortunately I don't have to worry about cancelling. By waiting until the game goes to the free trial phase you've missed all the initial bugs/balance issues and you save a lot of money by not having to buy the box.

The last time I did try to preorder was AoC, the only reason was to get the early access to get leveled up quicker. Then they pulled the bait and switch and said "Sorry too many people signed up for early access, no other preorders get it". So after yelling at their customer service a couple times I sent the final e-mail that basically said "If this is how you are already treating your customers this game is going to fail horribly". I cancelled the preorder and boy did I dodge a bullet there. Thanks for saving me money Funcom.
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2012 8:32PM Graill440 said

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@Bhima

I accept the fact you have th right to think this way, but i also type this, why be a busybody? Why worry about what the next guy is doing in a agame to the point it causes you to quit?

This is from a Gamer standpoint, no descriptors no childish namecalling. If one Gamer has tons of time for whatever reason, or likes challenges and gets an item in a game and has fun, that is time well spent, However, with your line of thinking if another Gamer that does not have the time for whatever reason or likes to do things in the gamer differently than you do and ends up getting the same item you do, regardless of time invested or buying it, you will not allow it?

This type of thinking that a small percentage has is called NPD, its a real disease, "Narcissistic personality disorder" it is prevelant in alot of gamers that think the way they think or play or attain something is the correct way, well let me tell you kids that like namecalling or being busybodies, it is not.

Its pretty sad when a group of people will support a person that thinks their way of being a gamer is the only way and that other people, regardless of intent or background do not matter.

I would personally be proud to see your type of person quit a game OP, and hope that your NPD, you, and your childish thinking just fade away.
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Posted: Mar 24th 2012 1:05AM (Unverified) said

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@Graill440
The reverse is also true Graill. Why are the people who want "convience" items so concerned with what others are doing that they feel a need to bypass gameplay to not feel left behind? Under your own definition, the people wanting to use these are also busybodys.

And in your rush to judge and name call, you completely ignore the main point. It's not that someone else may use this, it's the fact that this is going to be a revenue stream for Anet. They WANT people to buy this. If gameplay is sufficient and fun, there's no incentive to buy this, hence no revenue, so it's reasonable to think they will tweak the game in ways to make people want to buy them.

Let's also keep in mind that people who want ways to skip gameplay will likely leave the game once they "finish" and won't be around to buy other, more fluff stuff from the store. Blizzard is seeing this problem in WoW when they created the tank n spank LFR mode, people went in, downed the content, unsubbed. It's just shortsighted to make things to speed people through your game faster because people who don't want to play the game won't stay. They need to concentrate on making ways to keep people immersed in the game and have fun doing so.
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2012 8:11AM avaloner said

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Something like the Gw2 micro transactions would make me cancel my preorder (if I was not aware of them when I made it). I would just hang back a few months and see what happens when the dust has settled and the herd of gamers who flock to new products has moved on or settled into graze.

Posted: Mar 23rd 2012 8:17AM KvanCetre said

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@avaloner
Honest question: In an mmo without a sub fee, how did you expect them to make money to maintain servers?
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2012 8:17AM tenfootgoatman said

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@avaloner You may want to look at the details of the cash shop in GW2 I thought oh no when I heard about them but they don't seem that unreasonable to me .They work a little like EVE plex I gather .
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2012 8:48AM (Unverified) said

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@KvanCetre Guild Wars 2 could make money the same way Guild Wars 1 made money, by just selling fluff items.
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2012 8:58AM Utakata said

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@avaloner

I think that's an extremely wise choice.

@KvanCetre

By others who do not have an issue with cash shops. Least that how it works for other games. /shrug

@tenfootgoatman

avaloner likely already knows that.
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2012 9:01AM Deliverator said

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@KvanCetre
I had been under the assumption that GW2 was B2P. Barring that I'd rather they had announced a sub fee.
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2012 9:14AM Floop the Squirrel said

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@Deliverator

It's B2P with a cash shop. They apparently changed the system from GW1 and are now selling currency and other things too. We'll find out more, once this weekend's beta is over and people breach the NDA :P

(Damn you, Arenanet for not sending me an invite!)
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2012 9:19AM KvanCetre said

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@Deliverator
But B2P inherently means cash shop, as all p2p mmos have box cost and still need the sub fee.
That said, GW1 and 2 have much better cash shops than f2p games, from what has been announced. Unlike those games, you will get a full experience, with optional perks. You won't be hindered by restrictions on class, race, bag space, guild creation, chat channels, etc.
And, with GW2, it sounds like all things can be bought with in game currency.
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2012 9:36AM avaloner said

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@KvanCetre I never said anything about not knowing they where going to have a cash shop. I understand they need to make money and that they feel the cash shop is a good way to do it. I just are not a fan of cash shops and prefer either to just buy the game and play or pay a sub.

So thus I would cancel my preorder if I found out a game was going to include a cash shop, and I was not aware of that fact before I preorderd, give it a month or two to see how things are going with the game (i.e, people are not quiting left and right over said cash shop) then buy the game if I still feel like its a good purchase.

Cash shops are often hit or miss, if you have any qualms about them being in a game then its probably wise to have a wait and see attitude before you lay down your money, that way if the game is not for you, you have not wasted your money and time.
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2012 10:28AM KvanCetre said

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@avaloner
Thats my fault, I misread your initial statements. I thought you were saying you weren't aware GW2 had a cash shop until after you ordered.
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2012 10:30AM Deliverator said

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@KvanCetre
GW2 is identical to F2P now except you buy the box. Same crap in the cash shop and the experience buffs mean they've added in tedium to create a need for said experience buffs.

Preorders aren't available yet, but FOR ME that single announcement took the game from most highly anticipated upcoming MMO to, well not even the level of most F2P games simply because I'm not buying a box for the privilege of shopping in their cash shop.

B2P means buy the box, that is it. There may not be such a thing anymore, but that doesn't change the definition.
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2012 10:41AM (Unverified) said

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@KvanCetre
Cash shop yes. Cash shop like a F2P game? Sorry, but if they want to act like a F2P game, drop the $60, minimum, price tag and go F2P.

Was really disappointing to see the screenshots yesterday on GW Guru of all the things to bypass the game.

You can't say since gear is purchasable with Karma you can't buy gear since you can buy Karma boosters to effectively help pay for gear with RL money. If you want more than 1 set, using enough boosts will eventually pay for a set with RL money.

I don't know, why pay money for a game that sells ways to skip the game for more money?
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2012 11:48AM KvanCetre said

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It would seem the answer is "Dont skip the content".
Other people skipping content doesnt hurt my experience.

Sidenote: its amusing to see, as the game gets closer, the shift away from it being the second coming that will change the face of MMOs as we know it.
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2012 1:08PM Space Cobra said

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@KvanCetre

"But B2P inherently means cash shop, as all p2p mmos have box cost and still need the sub fee."

Nah, I disagree, but I realize I am looking at this with an even older model in mind. B2P should mean only boxed sales for the most part. I don't think GW1 started with a cash shop, did it? It just made and charged for boxed-retail expansions. Only later did it add in a cash shop.

EQ1 also did this to an extent: While it has a sub, it charged you for every boxed expansion that you bought in stores. So, if you wanted to play the "new race" or new dungeons/area, you had to buy that box. WoW sorta does that still, but content-patches are now more likely to be downloaded.

So, GW1 differed substantially in that it was "pure" b2p and charged for expansions. I would say this is alright and it did make them money. Cash shop, of course, makes more money than boxed sales in the long run, so that is why I suspect this change.
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2012 4:37PM (Unverified) said

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@KvanCetre
I see this argument all the time about other people skipping content shouldn't hurt someone else's experience, but why isn't the reverse question asked.

How is the person who wants to skip content experience affected because some people can play the game more in a week than they can? Ok, maybe it will take that person longer in real time to get to a certain point in the game, but if there is no competition in PvE to begin with, than what does it matter? What happened to the 'journey' being a good experience?

If GW2 has a good, immersive gameplay, than why is Anet offering these boosters to avoid that gameplay? If I made what I believed was a good product, I would be encouraging people to experience it all, not offer them ways to avoid some of it, for an additional fee. But since they are offering ways to bypass it or speed through it, and they now have a financial interest for people to do so, then it does bring up legitimate questions of whether or not there is something wrong with the gameplay for someone who doesn't spend the extra money.
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2012 8:56PM Graill440 said

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@KvanCetre

To Avaloner, why vote someone down with a program or ip change which is exactly what you did, the commnet affects no one but you or your original thought.

What incredidbly sad shit for you to do simply because you disagree KvanCetre.

Quote" Thats my fault, I misread your initial statements. I thought you were saying you weren't aware GW2 had a cash shop until after you ordered" Endquote.
The aboce statement, while aimed at another of his posts show both your motivation and intent to downgrade intentionally.

Massively you need to stop this crap, get the website fixed or disallow this type of brazen ignorance that happens all the time.
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