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Posted: Mar 21st 2012 6:44PM real65rcncom said

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@(Unverified) This. You hit the nail squarely on the head.

A cash shop is 'evil' when SoE does it. It's dastardly when Turbine runs one. It's horrific when Blizzard sells a mount for real cash.

But yet in a game that it's clearly obvious that advantages are going to be gained determined by either: money spent or time spent, it's "I think this will be just fine for GW2. Blah blah game is different" is the mantra, lol.

It's like the NIMBY argument. It's fine for that to be over there, but when you put it here, no way Jose.

Because GW2 fans have been heralding this as the Second Coming, it's spin mode now that the cash shop monster has taken their game as a bride.

How do they expect Anet to pay for the monster of innovations? Donations, lol? No. They will make sure people have a reason to buy things for the cash shop or the people would play for free and the company makes no money.

That was fine for dinky GW1 which wasn't a real mmo with the usual costs, but when you go up vs the AAA mmos in the industry you have to pay for things.
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Posted: Mar 21st 2012 7:04PM Yoh said

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No no, your missing the point.
While combating gold farmers is part of it, to which I hope they are successful, let's wait and see.

But no one is saying that this isn't a means of revenue for Arenanet, you just made that up. Of coarse it's revenue for Anet, so what?
They can't make a profit, give people what they want, and fight gold farmers at the same time?

From what I understand of D3, it's more because it actually is pay to win, in addition to be able to make actual money doing it.
It's not the same as what we have here. Similar, but not identical.

What was that saying, there is a fine line between good and evil?
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Posted: Mar 21st 2012 3:49PM Deliverator said

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"but enjoy the game for the creative and entertaining (though not unique) choices the cash-shop system allows"

By saying the cash shop system allows for creative and entertaining choices. This implies that an non cash system is unable to provide as much creativity or entertainment. In fact, if this isn't what you meant, it's just a meaningless pro- cash shop/ F2P sentiment such as saying "Hooray for cash shops"

Care to elaborate? What creative or entertaining things can a cash shop offer that a sub game can't? We're talking about payment models, so "payment model" doesn't count as an answer.

Do you still think this game qualifies as B2P?

Posted: Mar 21st 2012 3:50PM Wild Colors said

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Don't be silly.

This game will be perfect. Arena can do no wrong. Those who believe otherwise will be burned at the stake (stakes cost 3500 gems, fire cost 2500 for five uses).

Posted: Mar 21st 2012 3:55PM FireWraith said

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@Wild Colors

Hah, well put. The Anet fanatics around here remind me a lot of the Bioware fanatics before the launch of SWTOR, also believing that Bioware could do no wrong in a game. And... well... everyone has an opinion on that.

I think Anet is a good company and handled Guild Wars fairly well, but I don't think Guild Wars was a direct competitor with WoW and other MMOs. GW2 will be, and I think it will be a new ball game for them.
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Posted: Mar 21st 2012 4:26PM (Unverified) said

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@FireWraith

Yeah, how dare those fanatics who use actual precedent set by the company, versus the obviously highly logical people such as yourself whose only basis for argument is "they're going to do it this way because I say so."

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Posted: Mar 21st 2012 4:43PM Vladeon said

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@(Unverified)

You're funny. I like how you jumped down that other poster's throat for saying what amounted to "GW2 will be launched in a different economic atmosphere than GW." Classy. Poor guy doesn't say anything controversial and gets reamed out.

People should probably sit back and read things a couple times before they think of posting. Because most of the time if you don't, you're going to make yourself look like a total douchebag like (Unverified) up here did.
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Posted: Mar 21st 2012 3:52PM toychristopher said

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Oh not you guys too. Isn't it a little ridiculous to even bring up Runes of Magic considering they have an auction house system while GW2 has a true marketplace and that Runes of Magic has linear gear progression? Just how many name changes or golem bankers will one person need to buy with Gems? This whole thing is blown way out of proportion.

Posted: Mar 21st 2012 4:32PM (Unverified) said

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@toychristopher : why is it ridiculous to bring up Runes of Magic? The mechanics of their cash shop and cash shop currency are identical to what ArenaNet has announced for GW2. What they sell in the shop (and what players can sell in-game) is very different - since RoM is one of the purest pay-to-win games in existence - but the mechanics are identical, and thus it's important to learn from its lessons. e.g. fraud.
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Posted: Mar 21st 2012 4:58PM (Unverified) said

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No they aren't, gear is completely different in the two games. One of them you are literally buying power. In GW2 all gear at max level will have the same amount of stats. The only difference is appearance and stat distribution. The actual stat value in cumulative will be the same. RoM has a HUGE difference in power in different levels of gear.
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Posted: Mar 21st 2012 7:07PM Yoh said

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@toychristopher
I know, it's sad to see people completely fly off the handle over this.
Their at a 10 when they need to be at a 2.

The sky isn't falling guys, you can calm down.
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Posted: Mar 21st 2012 3:54PM kgptzac said

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Gw2 and its predecessor requires purchase the game box in order to play, so a lot of "gaming the system" can be curbed if ANet enforces a good banning procedure. I don't know exactly how RoM handles payment options other than its cash shop, but the problems listed here can easily be contained.

war on bots and unsanctioned RMT will always find a way to exist. money going to the devs is always better than going to the bits bots that pollutes the game.

Posted: Mar 21st 2012 3:54PM Sephirah said

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The only reason I love any kind of P2W cash shops is that usually keep the game free of the more competitive players that usually are those whining more on the forums ("Nerf that class! Buff my class!") and those that have MMORPG as their only goal in life ("I spent 100 boring hours farming for that item, and that guy bought it for 10$?!?")
Since I likely won't spend a dime in GW2 cash shop, having a community composed of more relaxed people is surely something I must thank Arenanet for.
(Oh, and Funcom for TSW cash shop too)

Posted: Mar 21st 2012 3:57PM (Unverified) said

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Mama ......

/makes sucking sound, and looks at GW2 chest




(I'm sorry, I just can't wait for this game to come)

Posted: Mar 21st 2012 6:49PM real65rcncom said

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@(Unverified)

I read this and thought you were pretending to be Wade from "Saving Private Ryan" after he was crushed when he realized he was going to die.

Ironically, there are other GW2 fans who got that same exact feeling when they found out there was a full-on cash shop coming with their box price of $150, hehe.
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Posted: Mar 21st 2012 3:57PM (Unverified) said

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Gems are not a good idea

A gem at the start might be worth 100 gold, the ones selling the gems will soon earn alot of cash, while the ones buying them will be stuck at a low amount of gold.

Then the "gem" sellers will put up the prizes becouse another 100 gold does nothing for them, and soon theyll cost 1000 gold, so the ones buying the gems with gold have to farm even more OR go to a goldselling site and buy gold.

When someone then say "selling sword of xxx" and the item goes to bidding war, the gem buyer will have a huge amount of money and "win" the bid for it without the normal player having any chance. Gear is not that important in GW2 no, but there will still be some items, be it for looks or other.

The further the game goes on, the more the gems will cost, and the more money the gemsellers will hoard and set the price, forcing the non gem buyers to farm, bot or buy gold on offsites. The gem buyers havent done anything in game, other then having a big wallet in real life.
Thats why i hate f2p games.
Ill still play GW2, but i dread the economy.

Inflation will hit GW2 hard if they have gems, items in item shop should only be buyable and gifted.

Posted: Mar 21st 2012 4:16PM cingeto said

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@(Unverified) I think you are forgetting that anyone can be 'gem-sellers', except people who have absolute no disposable income or chose not to, and these two groups won't probably not go to gold-sellers (third parties) to buy gold anyway. So if the price of gems sky-rockets, then that will make more people buy gems from ANet, which will then increase the supply and decrease the price (if the economy is anywhere close to being healthy).
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Posted: Mar 21st 2012 9:32PM (Unverified) said

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@cingeto buy more gems with what money? so you need alot of money in real life to stay competative in amounf of gold in game..

people play sub games becouse its set amount and you get acces to all, everyone has acces to every way to get money in game on equal terms either you be a millionaire in real life, or a normal worker.
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Posted: Mar 21st 2012 3:59PM Mikx said

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"Every once in a while, I'll see a listing for one low-level healing pot, craft rune or other common but worthless item that's selling for millions of gold."

I never had enough money, and the items I was selling were much more valuable, but I basically did the same thing in WoW, transfering items (mostly minipets) from one faction to another in the non-aligned auction house.

I haven't screwed around much with the dilithium conversion in sto, but the dilithium "gems" there are bound to character, and converted to cash shop points. I'm not sure, but the points may be bound to character too. Their cash shop requires you to log into specific characters, and Is kind of begging you to buy something on the wrong character.

Posted: Mar 21st 2012 4:06PM Space Cobra said

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Count them: Two...TWO Soapboxes in Two days (or close to two days!)

We are getting extra clean with so much soap!

Will they sell towels in the cash shop? Maybe you are not hearing my properly, let me turn up the volume of my microphone and I will repeat that while being simultaneously drowned out by Lady GaGa's "Poker Face" playing on my radio.

Maybe the cash shop will have a noise filter for that?

;) ;p

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