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Posted: Mar 21st 2012 8:05AM rwells87 said

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man i can remember sitting next to my best friend till 4 or 5 in the morning and taking turns on Ultima Online, he was really the one that showed me the ropes when it has come to MMO's not much has changed since we are together at launch for most big titles. we tend to drift off and do our own thing but he was really the one that got me into the genre.

Posted: Mar 21st 2012 8:07AM (Unverified) said

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My first MMO was Everquest. I just asked general chat for help when needed. I got small bits of help from many different people. See, I started playing MMO's before playing them was "cool".

The community was better back then. That was back before all the jerks of the world decided that playing video games is now acceptable. Anyone who played games back then knows there is a HUGE difference in MMO communities between then and now. Sadly, the change has most definitely been for the worse. I miss those days.

Posted: Mar 21st 2012 8:35AM c0gnit0 said

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@(Unverified) I totally understand what you mean. I dabbled into EQ but I never really hit MMO addiction until Dark Age of Camelot. The same thing happened with me though: I was asking for help and a great community was there to lend its aid. I realized how much they helped me and so I helped when I could starting from day two! I remember a few months into my career a guy who was familiar with mmo's just got into the game and needed some help. I helped him with some leveling, gave him some gold and information, and we made a guild a few days later. When real life called and I had to quit, he kept going and when I came back utterly removed from the game's time elapsed, he was there to help bring me along. And into the (then #2 on the server) guild we created that he championed into the world. I sat back and thought "I helped one of the most influential players on our server back then and look what he did. Now he's the one mentoring me!"

MMO communities have changed but a lot of the older games still have remnants of the old schoolers :)
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Posted: Mar 21st 2012 12:34PM Seffrid said

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@(Unverified) "The community was better back then. That was back before all the jerks of the world decided that playing video games is now acceptable. Anyone who played games back then knows there is a HUGE difference in MMO communities between then and now. Sadly, the change has most definitely been for the worse. I miss those days."

The best games I've played for restoring the old standards are (1) EQ on the progression servers - I can only speak for Fippy Darkpaw, haven't played on the other one, and (2) Fallen Earth. Both communities are great, although in any MMO I find that playing on a European PvE Role-Play server is likely to offer a decent experience free of jerks and Chuck Norris compared to some of the other server types I've played on.


As for the original topic, in my early days in MUDs I was looked after by a senior player who ran a guild and city and was incredibly supportive. I've personally never taken an individual player under my wing but I have whenever possible made a point of handing down spare gear to new players and asking them to pass it on in turn when they outgrow it. However, that sort of thing was more common in the older games like EQ and isn't often feasible or appreciated in the more modern games where all gear is trivially obtained anyway.
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Posted: Mar 21st 2012 5:20PM Vunak said

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Learn as you go for me. I was my own mentor. I think it helped me more then having someone explain things to me. Now I am part of the crowd that figures out the mechanics of a game or boss fight, and throws it up for others to read.
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Posted: Mar 21st 2012 8:09AM avaloner said

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My ex-girlfriend was My MMO mentor. I never really played them untill I went out with her. She was a WOW fan at the time and so we played it together right at the start of TBC. Had some of the best times I ever had in gaming slowly leveling up with her.

MMO's were all knew to me, I had no idea what a tank was or even how groups worked. I think I wiped us several times in normal dead mines lol, back when low level dungeons where not the utter faceroll they became in wraith.

I know mentor my current girlfriend in MMOs, not the easist thing to do as she is not really a gamer and though she enjoys MMOs (we play RIFT, though it used to be WOW) I can't imagine her liking them enough to play them without me.

Posted: Mar 21st 2012 8:16AM (Unverified) said

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Starting in Everquest on launch day, I happned to meet up with 4 other players in Butcherblock Mountains and we became fast friends. Being the game and genre were still relatively new, it was pretty much a collaborative effort so there was no real mentoring going on. 13 years later, I still keep in contact with those guys!

Posted: Mar 21st 2012 8:20AM Fabius Bile said

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I learned to love MMOs by my own, actually barely any of my friends play online, and the scarce few who do, they do it thru their Xbox/PS3.

likewise, I never mentored anyone for the same reasons.

my friends seem to have a genetic aversion to PC thingies. Consoles suit them better.

Posted: Mar 21st 2012 8:32AM AstralEcho said

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I started MMOs with EverQuest shortly after Ruins of Kunark released, at the prodding of a friend of mine. He was the closest thing I really had to a mentor, providing me with some starting gear and getting me roughly associated with the game, but I still ended up having to discover most of the intricacies myself.

Five years later, not only was I mentoring my now-fiance, but also the very same friend who brought me into the genre. He's grown fairly complacent with features like super-detailed maps and quest trackers, and god forbid there's ever a game without either, he'd act like it's the end of the world. It actually reached a point where he was so far-gone that it was no longer fun to play with him. After all, I can only stomach being asked what continent Silithis is on so many times in a week.

Posted: Mar 21st 2012 8:49AM Space Cobra said

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Yeah...I am gonna say, along with some others, I...never really had a mentor!

Things were all new and newer than new: Mechwarrior and AirWarrior on GEnie. The AOL "Red Dragon Inn" chat rooms. The eventual move into MUDs/MUSHes/MOOs. And, of course, UO and all that.

I think we all learned from each other: Asked questions in general and got quicker responses and learned all at once. Lots of trial and error on our on personal parts and possibly passing along that message to someone who would ask about it.

As for mentoring? Well, I don't know the numbers, but I've probably mentored, in some form or fashion, many players. Either short stints or full-on play-sessions, to various degrees. I sometimes think, as in other aspects, how I would have wanted a mentor so I provide that to others so they don't have to go through what I did (and general spreading community around). Still, I do find myself silently trudging through things if no one explains it much of the time: I seem to 'give" more than "take", but that's true of other things in my life (I tend to ask only once for help; I hate to appear I am whining, so I have to soldier on myself: I can be very hard on myself, but not so on others).

So, I guess I am more a mentor than an "mentee", but I know I've been helped a bit here and there from time to time.

Posted: Mar 21st 2012 3:20PM Celtar said

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@Space Cobra

Crap, figured SC would have summed this up already, I should have read down instead of just writing and replying. :)
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Posted: Mar 21st 2012 8:57AM EzioMajere said

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I never really had a mentor. I started out in a browser MMO called Sherwood when I was in 8th grade. After that I was hooked. I moved on from Sherwood to RuneScape than RuneSape to Guild Wars and so on. I just recently Stopped My WoW subscription but I taught one of my buddies the ropes of the MMO genre since he was at the time a console gamer. We Still Play Guild Wars to this day and log in and out of various MMO's that happen to catch our eye

Posted: Mar 21st 2012 9:00AM EuchridEucrow said

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"So you see Jimmy, that's how you find the "Juicy Juggs" website. Now let's play some WoW!"

Posted: Mar 21st 2012 9:11AM EuchridEucrow said

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First "mmo" was text based game called "Dragon Realms". It had perma-death(of a sort), anytime/anywhere pvp(whether you liked it or not), the ability to steal money from other players, etc.

I was dropped out into this environment completely new to "mmo" style games sink or swim. My first conversation was to ask for help how to get anywhere and was basically ignored so I started screaming at people. Stuck with it though and, perhaps because I didn't give up like I wanted to, it has been the best "mmo" that I have yet played. Imagine trying to play Eve Online for the first time without having ever played an "mmo" and no tutorials or help. That was what it was like but without a user interface beyond a text field. Was brutal but burned into my brain a reticence towards asking for help without trying to figure out things on my own.

A mentor would have helped a ton.

Posted: Mar 21st 2012 10:02AM (Unverified) said

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My buddy had bought EQ1 a month or two after it came out and and I was playing a character on his account. About a month later I got my own account and played it for years after.

Basically though both of us were discovering everything as we went without a mentor. We were just like pretty much everybody else, clueless. I really miss that and I think it's one of the reasons why no MMO has ever stood up that EQ1 does as far as memories go.

Posted: Mar 21st 2012 10:36AM nimzy said

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I guess you could say I had three. I had a older cousin that played EQ back in the day and I got the chance to play around a bit using his computer. I thought the whole thing was mysterious. But I had experience with online games, I was big into the whole Warcraft 2 / 10Six thing on Heat.net, and I'd been hearing about people going nuts over EQ, so I gave him my best young-kid wisdom at the time: "Sooner or later you're going to get into a fight with a friend over something stupid in the game and quit playing."

I went over and visited a few months later and couldn't find EQ installed on his machine. I asked him what happened, and he laughed and said he got in an argument with his best friend about some gold. He uninstalled the game and threw the discs away. So I guess you could say I have had some perspective on MMOs for over a decade now thanks to him.

In college the guy in the dorm across the hall from me played during the days of classic WoW and got me hooked on it too. It wasn't good for my grades. I was there when he quit his guild and wiped a raid at the same time when he got tired of dealing with an overbearing guild leader. Later that year he dropped out (not because of WoW) and went back to California to join a heavy metal band. I hear they're doing pretty good for themselves now.

My last mentor was a nice roommate I had in college. He's the one that really got me into raiding and introduced me to an amazing guild of people who all lived nearby (!) that was just a blast to play with. He was in college to study music on a full-ride scholarship... that he blew because he could not stop playing WoW. He dropped out and ended up joining the Army. Guy still owes me $500 and a bike.

The culmination of all these experiences has taught me never to take the ability to play MMOs with friends for granted, to not take things too seriously, and that moderation, as in all things, is the key.

Posted: Mar 21st 2012 11:27AM smartstep said

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I learned of my first mmorpg - Ultima Online by accident in some magazine I think.

Learned how to get it myself , got in myself , was learning basics in-game myself.

I like to figure out things myself.

Of course - I meet ppl in game and many of them were helpful and explained some things to me as well.

Community then was kinda 'tight' then. Each server was totally separate world and there was no instancing , so kinda you just 'knew people'.

I joined guild eventually ,but it was quite a bit of time after I started playing and even after I joined - I still hanged out with ppl outside of guild as well.


I also mentored some new players in few mmorpg's. Well maybe not full-time mentoring , cause that does not fly my boat ,but I answered ALOT of questions and helped with quite a bit of things during those years.


One of things I miss most - each server = separate world and game design / mechanics focused on player interdependability.

Guess most players does not like that though.

Posted: Mar 21st 2012 12:19PM mattaui said

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That picture just screams 'caption me'.

'And here you go, my friend. If you ever wanted to know how to wile away hours, days, months, years! of your life, have I got the game for you.'

And I say this as a confirmed MMO addict.

My first MMO was UO, though I had played a few MUDs before that, which helped me ease into EQ later, as my training for UO came from all my previous Ultima games.

I then tried a few others until WoW came out, and then I proceeded, like a drug dealer or some weaponized virus, to infect as many friends and family as possible.

Posted: Mar 21st 2012 12:49PM ApathyCurve said

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I learned the hard way in EQ -- which is the entire point, I believe.

Posted: Mar 21st 2012 1:14PM (Unverified) said

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My first mentor was my AC1 patron, Lysis (who eventually became my first boss, and trust me, knowing each other in-game probably made it so I had MORE work to do than an average employee ;P ). She mainly taught me social etiquette since I was an angry 13 year old at the time ;P Apparently telling someone to GTFO was rude and if I died, that person wouldn't help me get my items back ;P

Years later, when my patron was busy with RL, I mentored her, mainly in pvp. I remember trying to teach her about how we needed to work as a team and pull our own weight or else the group as a whole suffered. She was usually a bit stressed out by this, but one time, it got real bad and she completely froze. We told her to just run and that we'd hold them off, and while we killed a few of them, the whole group except for her died, leaving 2 guys left. Sadly, neither of them could heal themselves or had dealt with her in "angry healer mode," and she ended up killing both of them ;P She's been killer ever since =P

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