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Posted: Mar 20th 2012 12:03PM Deliverator said

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for most raids I've run, lack of voice chat = disaster

Posted: Mar 20th 2012 12:15PM Stanimir said

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@Deliverator This is just the truth of it. Like it or not, and I've lead raids, people just do not listen to you if you type. Its that simple. They either a.) cant or are b.) unwilling to read. I dont love talking in vent (I do with some of my closer e-friends) but in raids its just neccesary.
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Posted: Mar 20th 2012 12:40PM Irem said

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@Stanimir
I've been in a fair number of raids where nobody listened when the leader spoke, either. I did endgame in games pre-Vent and the problem doesn't honestly seem to have gotten better or worse with the increased popularity of voice chat; hell, I remember being in more than one WoW raid where people wouldn't stop interrupting and talking and giggling and refusing to listen and the only thing that would grab their attention was a gigantic, text raid warning across their screens.
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Posted: Mar 20th 2012 1:20PM DancingTaco said

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@Stanimir

Yep voice is something I do with a friend I made from Lotro. We both play TOR now and use vent when we do WZ's together.. If TOR had in-game chat WZ's would be a lot more competitive. As it is now you can tell when a guild is running it together and using voice as they usually wipe the floor with your random group.
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Posted: Mar 20th 2012 1:33PM Space Cobra said

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@Stanimir

I don't know about that. Normally, during a raid with mature folks, people quiet down and read what is being typed, especially if we start out or go to a next boss.

I seem to be lucky so far and avoid voice chat. Sometimes people/leaders just type out instructions for me, but of course, they sometimes do forget I don't have voice chat on and of course, I am not getting all the camaraderie/jokes being talked about.

Then there are other times I do have it on, but I don't turn on my microphone. Really, in any situation, it pays to "listen" or "read" and respond and this is what I do; I follow orders. I don't need to be speaking and in most cases, I either have a fan or radio blaring (or both) and I know that annoys folks (it does me!). To me, a good raid gives out general instructions before a raid and before tough fights, especially with new folks, and really, you just want to make sure everyone is on the same page and review things every now and again even if you raid with the same folks.
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Posted: Mar 20th 2012 2:54PM Stanimir said

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@Space Cobra Fair points, perhaps it is the changing dynamic of communities that make listening and comprehending raiding different. In my Hardcore lotro raiding kin, I imagine we could type, and it would be fine. Yet, if you're doing a pug, I find typing to be amazingly ineffective. But, the people who make up MMOs now a days is a whole different discussion.
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Posted: Mar 20th 2012 3:43PM kalipou134 said

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Raid leader issuing orders trough voice chat is fine.

However, when a whole guild uses it and then doesn't bother to type or read anymore, it just becomes laziness

Big ol' Lazy
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Posted: Mar 20th 2012 12:06PM AlienFanatic said

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God, I'm so with you there. I resisted Vent as much as I could. I just can't see spending all my time talking when I'd rather be chilling. I'm also much wittier in text, where I have a chance to self-edit. Choosing the wrong word, or the wrong joke, at the wrong time can lead to no end of hassles.

Of course, as an old man (old man rant coming!), I think that this is just another facet how much people have dumbed-down content. In my day (shakes fist) we used to raid in Everquest and do chain heal rotations without the advantage of voice. We completed EXTREMELY challenging content without the need to hear ourselves talk all the time.

There are just so many tools now with Vent, Wowhead (or similar sites), etc., that it doesn't even feel like folks want to learn the encounters. It's all about coming to a raid, or a dungeon, having read everything, memorized it, and then going through the motions when your leader calls out your name.

And yes, I walked uphill to school both ways in the snow while wearing the skins of rats I'd killed the night before because we couldn't afford clothing. And I liked it that way!

Posted: Mar 21st 2012 1:21PM Masync9 said

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@AlienFanatic

Spot on good sir! I did my fair share of EQ raids myself as a Cleric and we did not have any fancy smancy VoIP to do it with either! Same goes for those flipp'in addons.

We made plans, built a strategy and when we did lose a boss fight, we took time to find out why vs wasting time finger pointing.

I am glad to see the gaming hobby is more popular as that usually leads to more games and variety. Unfortunately the price to be paid is popularity and with that comes the giant gibbering blob of the many.

Most of these recent changes to game environments (like MMO's) are still new so hopefully after a while things will smooth out and improve as people use them.

Oh and yeah! All of you delinquents need to stop cutting across our lawns pronto! Use the danged sidewalk!
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Posted: Mar 20th 2012 12:08PM Scuffles said

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"like the fact that no matter where you are and what you are doing there will be at least one person using said chat whose voice should be declared a human rights violation."

I lol'd

Posted: Mar 20th 2012 5:01PM Daeths said

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@Scuffles Im hurt sir. Its not my fault I was born like this! We vocally challenged demand a voice! We will be heard!
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Posted: Mar 21st 2012 10:11AM Saerain said

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@Scuffles In my experience, this is at least 70% of VOIP users.
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Posted: Mar 20th 2012 12:10PM Yarg2011 said

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Voice chat can still be turned off and you can type. Just because you buckle to peer pressure is not excuse for 'it is inevitable'. That said mic's and computers don't like me, they never work. I use my phone with an app, phone comes with headset and mic. Good thing is I can listen to all on game chat and turn it off when it is annoying.

Posted: Mar 20th 2012 12:43PM SnarlingWolf said

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@Yarg2011

It isn't peer pressure. I've been booted out of groups and allegiances for refusing to use voice chat. Some people take it so seriously that you literally lose options to play without using it.

Sometimes I'll make the concession of entering their voice chat to listen but I will still type.

I played in competitive CS:S and BF2 leagues and done really really well with typing. Anyone who says that you just can't do things effectively without the "speed" of voice chat are ridiculous.

Truthfully a really good group can get through any MMO content without uttering a word. By watching the screen and watching what people are doing you can know what needs to be done and do it. So saying voice chat is needed at all is a lie.

I hate voice chat in all games. I hate hearing people talk to other random people while playing the game. I hate hearing people eat. I hate hearing some kid get on and cry to his mom about letting him play a few more minutes (which is even worse when you thought the person was an ok guy before you heard him in voice chat). And to be honest, I flat out just hate some people's voices/speech patterns/etc.

All games are more enjoyable to me without voice chat. Now when I buy a game like CoD it sticks everyone in the game in a voice chat and I have to spent time each match muting the annoying people.
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Posted: Mar 20th 2012 1:03PM Borick said

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@SnarlingWolf You must understand that folks like us are willing and able to fire off a 1,000 word essay on why we don't like pudding with no more effort than it would take us to rant it out of our mouths.

Most people don't type at 90-120 wpm, much less read anything longer than a twitter post without skimming. Most of humanity is semi-literate, has always and will always be so. Forcing the semi-literate to process text in a real-time learning environment is just asking for their brains to vapor-lock.

Voice chat is here to stay. I thought this debate died half a decade ago.
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Posted: Mar 20th 2012 1:16PM SnarlingWolf said

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@Borick

Doesn't matter if it is here to stay. So is reality TV but I still refuse to watch that crap.
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Posted: Mar 20th 2012 2:35PM eLdritchZ said

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@Borick so because i have never learned how to type however many "wpm" I am some kind of barely literate retard? o0 well whatever makes you happy I guess...

As someone who uses voice chat on a daily basis with his group of online friends and as someone who has lead raids and PvP stuff in MMOs, I can tell you exactly why people kick you from the group when you say you don't like voice chat:

If you join say a raid group of say, 20 people and there are 2 people including you that refuse to get on voice chat which is the acceptable way of communication for 18 other people, you are the asshole in that scenario... not the leader who kicked you, because you are basically asking the leader and 17 other people to switch to what you like better, or even worse you ask the leader to say everything twice, once in spoken and once in written form. That is just insane...

It has nothing to do with being literate or not it is just simply a matter of preferrence. Also the social aspect of MMOs kind of means that sometimes you have to make concessions... throwing a temper tantrum and refusing to get on a voice over program because EVERYONE ELSE is too lazy (^^) is not the right thing to do.
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Posted: Mar 20th 2012 6:13PM Borick said

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@eLdritchZ I'm saying that most folks aren't text-processing wizards who feel comfortable swimming freely in a realm of written text. No insult was intended or implied.

One can be capable of reading and not practiced at it, is what I'm saying. Most folks aren't practiced typists or practiced at processing streaming text over extended periods without skimming.
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Posted: Mar 20th 2012 12:11PM Tom in VA said

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I agree with you. Most times I don't like it, and from an RP perspective it usually messes things up. But I usually just suspend RP when I'm in a group.

The only game I've ever used voice chat in was LotRO, and that was only to listen in if others were using it. I'd tell the others in the group (a white lie) that my microphone didn't work. Well, it didn't work because I didn't turn it on, so maybe that's not a white lie (?). ;)

The problem is, you're at a real disadvantage if others are talking and you can't hear them.

I just wish (1) voice chat worked in-game (as it does in LotRO) so you didn't have to use Vent and (2) you could "flag" yourself (prior to grouping) as someone who either doesn't use voice chat at all or who hears but doesn't speak using voice chat.

SInce I never raid or do high-end dungeons, this is not a big issue, and I spend most of gaming time in blissful silence.

Posted: Mar 20th 2012 12:11PM JuliusSeizure said

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I hate that leprechaun. I mean, I hate most leprechauns, but that one is especially worthy of utter scorn. They even gave him the worst face in the game.

Aaaanyway, I'm not a fan either. Voice chat has its uses, but outside of practical situations I'd rather not use it. Since I haven't had anything to do with such situations in a long time, I've probably saved quite a lot of money. Headsets never do last.

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