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Posted: Feb 26th 2012 3:27PM Tizmah said

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Doesn't this game have enough champions?

Posted: Feb 26th 2012 4:23PM smartstep said

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@Tizmah

They make money on selling new champions ,so they will keep adding more and more and more of them + constant nerf bat & buffs to various champions to fuel sales.
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Posted: Feb 26th 2012 7:11PM EvilCartographer said

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@Tizmah

More than enough.

I would pay money just to get them to stop producing champs and focus on balancing.
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Posted: Feb 26th 2012 7:16PM h4ngedm4n said

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@EvilCartographer
Sounds like you are ignorant of their business model.

If you truly believe this is the way to do business, why not make a game the way you suggest? Make a set amount of content and ask players to pay so you focus on balancing. A surefire business plan, what could go wrong? To the kickstarter!

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Posted: Feb 27th 2012 8:29AM smartstep said

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@h4ngedm4n

Well of course this would be bad. He's looking from player his own perspective.

Nothing new that player and game owner interest are colliding.
Actually it is preety normal.

Consumer would like to get game that fulfill his needs in 100% for totally free without any payments (micro or not) ,while game owner would like to have as much consuments as possible that pay alot of money and at same time don't require much investments made to game.

So his post is preety valid from his point of view.
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Posted: Feb 27th 2012 9:06AM EvilCartographer said

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@h4ngedm4n

I'm pretty familiar with Riot's business model, actually.


You might want to familiarize yourself with hyperbole, though.
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Posted: Feb 27th 2012 3:18PM Daverator said

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@EvilCartographer

By my interpretation of his post, he is quite familiar with Hyperbole.
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Posted: Feb 26th 2012 3:42PM EuchridEucrow said

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The character reminds me of Charlotte Christine de Colde from Samurai Showdown.

Posted: Feb 26th 2012 4:23PM h4ngedm4n said

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@EuchridEucrow
Yeah she kind of does. Maybe she will get blonde hair and an epee in an alternative skin.
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Posted: Feb 26th 2012 7:13PM Ecto said

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The circle of assassin, ap carry, tanky dps continues. Would be nice to see something else for a change but this is what sells, so it won't happen.

Posted: Feb 26th 2012 7:51PM Nucleon said

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@Ecto Wait what? What type of champion do you want them to do? The only champion that isn't AP Carry, Tanky DPS, or assassin would be a support.

So you're saying you wished they released a support character, the kind of character that players near universally hate playing and the one which Riot is trying to figure out what do with since the starved support meta is no fun players.

Secondly, of course they make decisions based on what sells. Do you want a company to make decisions based on what won't sell? They are a business. But they are also a F2P business, so the instant (and I mean instant) they stop competing, players jump ship for DOTA, HoN, or DOTA2.
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Posted: Feb 26th 2012 10:34PM Addfwyn said

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@Nucleon

Personally, I've been dying for a new support champ. I love playing the role, but wish there were more champions that could do it. I spend most of my time that isn't on Sona/Taric/Soraka trying to figure out more unique support builds on lesser played supports. The last real support we got was well, Sona.

I basically play nothing else (rarely AP Carry if I absolutely have to), and I'm a bit sad when somebody else beats me to support and locks in. It's a really rewarding playstyle actually, though it's certainly a bit demanding before it gets fun.
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Posted: Feb 27th 2012 12:22AM h4ngedm4n said

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@Addfwyn
I think there are already plenty of supports, but people feel there are not because there are only a few popular ones at high elo play. Personally, I play Alistar/Karma/Leona/Taric in bottom lane support. Since I am low elo, it works okay and I have fun doing it. Some other champions that can be played support-style include Chogath, Blitzcrank, Galio, Morgana, Orianna, Zilean. Many of these champions are hybrid support+something else, but can be played as support fine. Janna is also a popular support. So really, there are plenty of support champions if you include hybrids.
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Posted: Feb 27th 2012 9:10AM EvilCartographer said

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@Addfwyn

More power to you for enjoying the Support role. Especially if you can continue playing it without being bored to tears in the current 0 CS meta.

That being said, Riot is trying to pull the game away from having dedicated supports, it seems. Kill lanes are slowly emerging as a more popular way of bottom laning. Even the competitive matches from this weekend's qualifier matches had fewer and fewer dedicated support champs and more hybrids.
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Posted: Feb 27th 2012 11:12AM Icemasta said

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@EvilCartographer
Pros are pros because they innovate. I've been winning games after games playing kill lanes as you've mentioned, and I've done that for a very long time. The problem is that the mentality seems to be "If the pros don't do it, it must be bad.", and this leads to AD carries not trusting you.

I've played games where I was Ryze support or Kassadin support, obviously not a babysitter type like Sona/Soraka, but once the AD carries understand that you're the freaking poke god and every single trade is a huge bonus for your lane (as long as the carry AD is ready to poke when you do), then everything goes smoothly. You still build support items and ward the shit out of everything, but your skill set brings a whole other dimension to the game and team fights. Kassadin can easily run away, silence enemy AP carries/support for a long duration, apply AoE slow and good damage with no items, the same with Ryze, good root, good AoE.
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Posted: Feb 27th 2012 11:16AM Ecto said

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Of course I want them to make decisions based on what sells. Please, give me a little more credit than that. I certainly don't blame Riot for going with what sells. What I was saying is that I'm disappointed that those types of champions are all that sell.

More support champions are needed. Ever think that one of the reason that people don't like playing support is because there are so few viable options? It gets boring playing nothing but Sona, Soraka, Taric, Janna and Alistar. Yes, you can play a number of champions as support but that doesn't mean it's good (support Ashe). You can build just about any champion tanky, doesn't make them a good tank.

There are champions that can be played as support like Blitzcrank, but that's a gimmick that for the most part relies on your opponents playing poorly and only works at low ELO. Once people stop letting Blitz grab them he becomes a terrible support champion. Other champions can be played as support but are just inferior to the popular champions (Karma, Lux) or are even better in another role (Orianna, Zilean).

Buffing Karma and Lux would help alleviate the need for new support champions. There are just better champions to play for the types of lanes that you would play those two in.

Getting off the support topic, I would also like to see more straight tank champions. Something more a long the lines of Singed or Cho'gath than Irelia or Renekton. It may be small, but there is a difference in playstyle, especially in team fights. The difference may be too subtle for it to be worth it for Riot though.
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Posted: Feb 28th 2012 12:04AM MasterX25 said

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And nerf coming 2 weeks later.

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