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Posted: Feb 26th 2012 7:11PM Dunraven said

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How can anyone not think this will be the biggest fail since Dikatana?

And I wonder what could have been done to EVE or WoD with all the money they wasted on this game.

Posted: Feb 26th 2012 7:47PM Baby Choo Choo said

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@Dunraven

That's an easy one. No one can see into the future therefore some of us like to look forward to games we might possibly enjoy.

Shocking, I know. When I first found out every game I thought was stupid didn't automatically make it a bad game I had to phone all my friends and let them know what I just discovered.
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Posted: Feb 26th 2012 8:17PM DevilSei said

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@Dunraven

Honestly? I think Daikatana has been outdone in fail already by Duke Nukem Forever.
Also, I can't help but think that the inherent hatred seen towards the "console MMO" around here is also affecting that statement. Wait til the game is out before judging it.

However, you do have a point cost-wise. They've had to do some big cuts, and it has already affected World of Darkness. It isn't a bad thing to be skeptical about it, but declaring it to be a massive failure that forever stains the name of the developer studio (or just developer in Dai's case) is far too early.
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Posted: Feb 26th 2012 8:39PM Eamil said

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@DevilSei

I think Daikatana still outclasses Duke Nukem Forever in the fail category simply because neither 3D Realms nor Gearbox ran an ad campaign in which the game's lead developer promised to "make you his bitch."
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Posted: Feb 26th 2012 9:27PM (Unverified) said

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@Baby Choo Choo all the awards.
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Posted: Feb 26th 2012 10:05PM Maseno said

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@Dunraven

I think the success or failure of Dust 514 is going to hinge on two things. First is how tied together Dust and Eve are (i.e. can the players interact on stations, etc, etc). The second is how fast they get this game pushed out onto PC format. Most console players have never even heard of Eve Online so CCP not doing an initial release on PC was a huge fail in its own right.


I guess only time will tell how this game plays out. I have some high hopes, but am not going to be too upset one way or the other.
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Posted: Feb 27th 2012 2:37AM (Unverified) said

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@Maseno

I don't know about that (console gamers never heard of Eve).
Actually I don't know about this whole you (PC) and them (console) mentality either. I like to think that in the end we're all just gamers here.

But anyway onto the first point, I'm fairly sure most gamers have at least heard in passing of Eve. Even before I started playing MMOs I had a rough idea of what Eve was (something to do with spaceships and online stuff). So I actually think it's very possible that more console gamers (if such a classification can be used) would have heard the name or have some rough idea about it.
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Posted: Feb 27th 2012 5:46AM danthe57 said

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@Maseno I keep hearing that, and my experience with other console players keeps showing that that is wrong
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Posted: Feb 27th 2012 7:11AM Ref Minor said

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@Maseno
Why would CCP want to cannibalise its own player base for Dust, they are aiming for the COD/BF/MW crowd and hoping to invest them in a bigger persistent world, it makes good sense to me, sucks if you are an Eve player who can't afford a PS3, if you can't afford a PS3 you probably can't afford the 2 subs, so if you switched to Dust there would be no net gain for CCP.
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Posted: Feb 27th 2012 7:52AM Fabius Bile said

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@Dunraven
consider it this way: CCP looked at both games, and though that DUST made more sense finantially.

one can only guess what kind of utter failure WoD is....
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Posted: Feb 27th 2012 9:36AM (Unverified) said

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@Fabius Bile

I agree with you, but in order to be fair...

Pretty much any game on paper next to a console shooter isn't going to stand a chance in the "which most likely to make its money back?" category. WoD at best, is going to be a niche game anyhow...
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Posted: Feb 26th 2012 9:06PM (Unverified) said

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Meh, could be interesting. I admit I probably wouldn't play it if I didn't already have a PS3 which I received as a gift. I'll likely give it a go whne it launches. but like most console games, won't really get into it, even if it's good, till they launch it for the PC.

As to it failing or succeeding... I think it'll survive, but won't be anywhere near the blockboster hit those CCP people think it will be. Console shooters never hold onto much of a crowd for more than a month post-launch.

Posted: Feb 26th 2012 10:13PM Braiks said

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@(Unverified) Actually cod 4 which is more than 4 years old now has one of the largest playerbases on the consoles.
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Posted: Feb 26th 2012 10:31PM Addfwyn said

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To be fair, saying your game is going to offer a more intuitive experience than EVE doesn't really mean much. I don't think you could actively attempt to make a less intuitive experience.

That aside, I'm pretty interested in this. I'm not the hugest shooter fan, but I do rather prefer gaming on my console (a minority here, I know, though a ton of people do) and think the core concept is really clever. Though I'd rather hope they DIDN'T port it to PC, I've never found games that crossed PC/Console gamers together to work very pleasantly.

There's a lot that could be done really well here, and the console audience is certainly huge enough to support it even if a fair amount of people are totally oblivious to the EVE element of it. It could certainly interest some console players to give EVE a shot, if nothing else, as well.

Posted: Feb 27th 2012 12:11AM Lateris said

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I think I am picturing that the devs have been able to do a welcome to eve style all rebuffed in this shooter that can really glam up the game of New Eden. I also think once players understand the freedom there is in stats for being a bad ass in Eve- some will come to Eve. To me Dust 514 is the instant log in and blow stuff up type, then you look at the items you need to upgrade to be the ranked winner, and in comes the contracts from the pilots of New Eden.

Posted: Feb 27th 2012 1:55AM FrostPaw said

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I am struggling to marry the playerbase of a first person shooter with that of EvE, they would seem vastly different mindsets. Also, given this is on console and EvE isn't, I don't see how the two will interact in any meaningful way.

Posted: Feb 27th 2012 2:51AM (Unverified) said

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@FrostPaw
True enough Eve does seem to have a non-FPS player-base but then again like most thinks I'm sure there's sufficient variety that a number of them would actually give Dust a try. If not then that's probably fine, I think CCP is kinda looking to break ground into a new player demographic with Dust in anycase.
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Posted: Feb 27th 2012 11:01AM Calfis said

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If you read the forums lots of EvE players smack talk like FPS players so its not really that different in terms of mindset i.e. "we iz moar l33tzorz than U" is a common attitude in EvE as well.
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Posted: Feb 27th 2012 3:27AM smg77 said

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Remember kids, the sooner Dust dies the sooner all those developer hours can be refocused on Eve.

Posted: Feb 27th 2012 3:41AM Wic said

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Dust if for the PS3 only a HUGE mistake considering all EvE players play on a PC or Mac

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