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Posted: Feb 21st 2012 4:10PM MMOaddict said

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No Vanguard for the Old World? Some days, I really hate Sony. How about dropping that travesty DCUO and letting them have VG and make VG F2P and launch an expack for it.

Posted: Feb 21st 2012 4:43PM Bhagpuss said

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The whole thing is a travesty. It's going to split up players and guilds who've been together for years. It puts up walls where none existed. It hands control of our accounts to a company most of us have never heard of (and would like to keep it that way).

PSS didn't want Everquest or Vanguard so no-one knows how Station Access accounts are going to work for players who play one or both of those games and EQ2/DCUO/Free Realms. I also just noticed there's no mention of Pirates of the Burning Sea either.

What makes it even more galling is that we had all this years ago with UbiSoft and look how well that went. Nothing like learning from your mistakes. Honestly, I'm usually sanguine about SoE's ability to shoot itself in the foot repeatedly but this really does take the biscuit.

My hope now is that GW2 lasts me a year or more and by the time EQNext appears this PSS contract has collapsed.


Posted: Feb 21st 2012 4:49PM Space Cobra said

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To speculate, EQ1 probably didn't make it because, frankly, it is not as "new and shiny" and EQ2. And there would likely be more interest in the "new" as opposed to the "old".

There are probably some licensing things going on and things we don't know about (re: Pirates of the Burning Sea and Vanguard) because it does strike me odd that DCUO got a nod, but then again, that is what makes licensing laws so fascinating and perplexing to me: There is always some wrinkle that seemingly goes against common sense unless you read the fine-print.

I also do not like the "walls" this sets up and to all who read (who are overseas) I suggest keeping your account with SOE and, if you feel the need to, starting a new, separate one with ProBienSat 1. I know some of the SOE time/cash cards can be very hard to get (unless you order online from somebody that ships them) in certain European regions.

Posted: Feb 21st 2012 4:55PM Dumac said

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It's weird for me considering that I know of Pro Sieben and Sat1 as TV channels... What do they have to do with online gaming... But okay. I don't really mind the back end of things being handled by a company that can provide more specialized support, but I REALLY hope it can be done without a separate version of the games, delayed or missing updates, communication with the real developers not going through and all that... Not expecting this to be good to be honest. IP blocks already confirmed.

Posted: Feb 21st 2012 4:58PM markt50 said

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Urm, unbelievable, as a DCUO player from the UK who plays on the US servers I find this is kinda sad. Seems the virtual immigration police are going to be rounding us up and putting us on the next boat back to the European servers, then building a new 'Berlin' wall to stop us from swimming back.

I just don't get it and I thought we had got past this kind of segregation pretty much by now. I've been playing DCUO on the US servers since launch (with the odd break) and now will be forced to change server and no longer able to play with my friends from the US a year down the line.

Just when I thought SOE couldn't sink any lower, they once again manage to prove me wrong.

Posted: Feb 21st 2012 5:07PM Seffrid said

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@markt50

They have said, haven't they, that any European player who has played on a US server will be able to continue to do so? I believe that is the case with EQ2, not sure if it is the same with DCUO.

However, the converse would appear not to be the case, so that US players on EU servers will not be able to continue on the EU servers. That will hit those players as well as the server communities of which they have become an integral part.
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Posted: Feb 21st 2012 6:05PM Space Cobra said

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@Seffrid

I don't know the details, but unless they are shutting down SOE's European servers, you should be fine. If they *are* shutting down those servers, I would just suggest to play on the remaining US servers.

No reason, IMO, to transfer your account to the new company. Just keep both accounts open and see which works best for you.
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Posted: Feb 21st 2012 7:16PM Yellowdancer said

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@markt50

Really sucks for the UK players. A lot of them played on the US server.

DCUO was just starting the get some traction and now this is thrown in their path. Bah, I really hate when corporate gets a good idea. Usually means the man on the bottom(devs) get screwed.
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Posted: Feb 21st 2012 9:04PM Protoavis said

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@Seffrid

The mods on the dcuo forum seem to be pointing to if you're from EU and play on the US server you'll be shipped off to the EU servers.
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Posted: Feb 22nd 2012 7:39AM Budukahn said

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@Yellowdancer

It's not just Brits. The numbers of players from the UK are dwarfed by the Dutch, Swedes, Danish, Norwegians, Finns and other nationalities who, not represented by their own language servers, tend to migrate to English language servers.

There's nothing positive to be said I think for segregation. It's always led to Euro's being second class with delayed patches and no feeling of communication with the developers of the game. While nothing has come close to the ineptitude of GOA when running WAR and DAoC, I'm not too keen on giving other companies the chance.
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Posted: Feb 21st 2012 5:04PM Seffrid said

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This will cause a lot of problems, and will undoubtedly cost EQ2 a lot of players. Perhaps the hope is that the improved marketing facilitated by the switch will more than compensate, but I doubt that it will.

It seems to me that as a UK player with characters on both US (formerly F2P) and EU (since Live beta) servers I will have to create a new account with the German company to play my EU characters and pay a second subscription to SOE to play my US characters (as a dispensation from the regional locking arrangements), with each account having separate and different Marketplace currencies.

Assuming that to be the case I will very likely be gone from EQ2 completely, although on the other hand if I am able to make a free transfer of my EU characters to a US server then I would continue to run all my characters on my SOE account as now.

This has disaster written all over it, not least because of the appalling way in which the announcement was mishandled.

Posted: Feb 21st 2012 5:10PM Mendoras said

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Posted: Feb 21st 2012 5:12PM Balraw said

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Region locking your communities ... really?

I was going to type up a rage filled rant but when I got down to it I just feel sadness for the communities of all these games. Sad sad day for all SOE customers. Le sigh :(

Posted: Feb 21st 2012 6:03PM Vancha said

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Hello. I'm a Planetside player and SOE just tore every one of our communities into two.

"SOE opens up about multi-year European partnership" doesn't really communicate just what a horrible thing they've just done to their playerbase. Do you think you could possibly make a new article purely about the community-destroying effect this will have? This story needs to gain traction, because the only way this is being undone is if it receives enough negative publicity.

Posted: Feb 21st 2012 7:01PM Balraw said

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@Vancha Sadly, this will not be undone no matter how much bad publicity it gets. At least not for a few years as the dotted line has been signed, the ink has dried and the money has been transferred (I imagine).

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Posted: Feb 22nd 2012 4:13AM Vancha said

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@Balraw Supposedly they're still "arranging details". I don't know what that means and I realize the probable futility of telling them not to do it, but they still deserve a smack for this and spreading the word is the only thing that I can think of that might somehow achieve that.
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Posted: Feb 21st 2012 8:20PM smartstep said

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Sony as a whole corporation is suffering HEAVY losses.

Think they are - 2,2 billions $ for 2011 (note : talking about Sony as a whole not SOE).

So imho they just need cash so they sold publish right + cut down on costs in EU (imo layoffs in SOE EU staff will follow).

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you can bet on more microtransactions and maybe p2w in SOE games on all markets (NA included) in future.

Sony need money badly. Strong yen , LCD business making heavy losses, callphones as well - they want to spend alot of money on restructuring ,etc


Well anyway following years might not be good time to play SOE games NA , EU or whenever else.

Posted: Feb 21st 2012 8:36PM Yellowdancer said

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@smartstep

SOE isn't large enough to cover that debt. Nor are they expected to. They're only a small fraction of Sony's overall revenue.

SOE knows EQ players well enough to know that P2W will not go over at all. They tried putting arrows on the market place...that lasted a day before they were removed. Not gonna happen as long as the old guard continues to sub.
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Posted: Feb 21st 2012 11:04PM (Unverified) said

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SOE. The company that continues to piss-off it's customers.

Posted: Feb 22nd 2012 12:45AM iseeit said

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I play DCUO and I have been a SOE subscriber since everquest 1 back in 1998. What they have effectively done with this is segregate whole communities...

DCUO has been out and if any of you have been following it last year was a disaster, it just started recovering this year by winning the MMO of the year and they hamstring it out of the gate again.

Last year many, many, many EU players were literally forced to switch to US servers because the population numbers were non-existant. This change was forced upon them by SOE, now SOE is forcing them back to EU.

People play MMOs for the community... That's the number one thing that keeps people playing a game for long periods of time. The reason EQ1 isn't moving over is because they know if they went through with it.... The move would effectively kill the MMO because all that game has now IS the community.

A simple solution would be to offer people who already have characters in different regions a "grand-father" account of sorts. Forcing people to US servers, then forcing them back, is just asking for vitriol. We here at DCUO aren't asking for much. Just that you let my EU friends that came here looking for friends and a league to play with, stay here.

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