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Posted: Feb 12th 2012 4:33PM Lenn said

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A cow launcher?

"Fetchez la vache."
"Huh?"
"Fetchez la vache!"

Posted: Feb 12th 2012 4:48PM Dunraven said

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I'm looking forward to launch it's going to be a very fun game....however a lot of the zealots and those who claim that GW2 is the second coming are going to be tremendously let down.

It's a fun game that does a couple things slightly different but many things the same.

I have said this many times (and each time I have hands on experience with GW2 I am even more convinced ) There is a lot of SWTOR in GW2.

Take that as you will.

Posted: Feb 12th 2012 4:55PM Veplerion said

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@Dunraven "It's a fun game that does a couple things slightly different but many things the same."

Be nice if you would expand on that. Because I'm not seeing it.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2012 4:58PM Lenn said

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@Dunraven Why piss on people's parades before those parades have even started?
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Posted: Feb 12th 2012 5:10PM Joaquin Crowe said

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@Dunraven Please elaborate, since it seems their basic design fixes many of the problems of elder MMOs (including SWTOR).
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Posted: Feb 12th 2012 5:34PM (Unverified) said

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@Faction 3

By far the single dumbest thing that anybody can do when talking about a game is to state in such absolutes as you have done. Nothing remotely similar huh? Not a thing?

In other words, you're entirely based on fanboyism and have willingly abandoned any semblance of reality, because anybody with a brain could and would see that all the MMOs that are currently out share certain design aspects, UI decisions, story elements, fight mechanics, game mechanics, etc.

Less fanboyism and more reality would help GW2 avoid the same pitfalls that befell TOR.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2012 5:12PM Dunraven said

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@Lenn It's not really a matter of pissing on peoples parades; GW2 really has little to do with what is considered a MMO today; listen to what the devs are saying.

story
story
story

Oh then there is story....the same people who are pissing and moaning about SWTOR will be pissing and moaning about GW2. The Open beta will reveal this, the only difference is Arenanet won't have a forum to invade to complain.

Posted: Feb 12th 2012 5:18PM Lenn said

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@Dunraven You didn't watch the whole video, did you?
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Posted: Feb 12th 2012 5:22PM (Unverified) said

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@Dunraven You, sir, clearly are missing the point of GW2, and are clearly not their target audience, and that's ok.

Good for you to "discover" this before you spend money on it.

However if you do spend money on it, and hate it, thank you for your donation to the development of GW2, though I do hope that if you try it, you like it. ;)
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Posted: Feb 12th 2012 5:22PM Faction 3 said

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@Lenn

He has no idea what he's talking about. Again, just looking at the GW2 Website or watching ANY GW2 video will tell you that.

He's approaching Puremallace's hatred for all things non-RIFT...only without the RIFT.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2012 5:40PM Randomessa said

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@Dunraven

I keep hearing that GW2 is supposed to be the second coming, yet I only hear it from those who are trying to assure me that it won't be. Odd.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2012 7:23PM Faction 3 said

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@Randomessa

I noticed that too, some people will blindly hate of why its not this way or that way....and to me...I want it more BECAUSE its not this way or that way....
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Posted: Feb 12th 2012 7:56PM Dunraven said

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@Faction 3 And see this is my exact point people are so rabid about this game they are not seeing clearly you can't have a rational conversation about it; and I notice many of the people who are downright scary Fanboyish over GW2 are the exact same people who complain about other MMO's fanboys.

In any event it's the same story people tell me I'm full of shit are horribly wrong blah blah blah; I will gladly bookmark this and revisit it in three months when these same fans are teeth gnashing and talking about their disillusionment. I never said GW2 was fail I never said it would not be wildly successful ....all I said was a lot of the Zealots were in fro disappointment...and for that folks want to lynch me.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2012 8:30PM Irem said

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@Dunraven
Most of the people I've heard legitimately complaining about TOR's focus on story do so because they felt that it was focused on to the extent that it negatively impacted the amount of time and resources spent on the rest of the game. Unfortunately, I've noticed that some people have picked up on that and translated it to mean that story in an MMO = a bad thing, independent of anything else. I doubt people will be upset with GW2's story if the rest of the game delivers.

It's true that TOR and GW2 have things in common, but they've approached them from different directions (and I suspect one of the reasons your first comment got downvoted so harshly is because your phrasing makes it sound like you're saying that GW2 is borrowing heavily from TOR). And yes, there is a lot that's familiar about it, by design, and I think -that- more than anything is what's going to make some people upset with it. ArenaNet is operating from the idea that people wouldn't be tired of MMOs if they updated the formula to reflect what current technology can do and challenged a lot of assumptions about what's "necessary," but the fact remains that if you hate themepark games, fantasy worlds, and absolutely everything in WoW, bar none, you're probably going to dislike GW2 as well.

Arguing semantics is pretty popular when it comes to this game, as evidenced by the "it still has roles!" and "it still has quests!" comments that come on almost every GW2 article. In at least a few places "it has a story, just like TOR!" has started to crop up, too, but considering those people are usually to focus on details enough to discuss how apples and oranges can be different despite both being fruit, I don't think there's any way to avoid that. If a game is quality, the number of people encouraging their friends to try it will most likely outnumber the people who were disillusioned by unrealistic expectations anyway.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2012 8:32PM Irem said

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@Irem
*usually unable to

Bleh.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2012 9:26PM Dunraven said

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@Irem No I never even thought that GW2 borrowed from TOR; my post got downvoted simply because I dared speak ill of the Messiah and I din't even speak ill...I simply said said some of the zealots were going to be disillusioned.

One issue with the GW2 fanbase they already have the image of being the most snarky mean-spirited community in the Genre....it is such a problem that last year at Gamescom Martin Kerstein said to a group of us that Arenanet was actively discussing the issue with this negative image about the fans. GW 1 fans did not have this stigma yet GW2 fans are a cross between 4Chan and League of Legends fans.

In the end this is going to hurt the game far more than anyone saying negative things about GW2 ever could.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2012 9:47PM Valdur said

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@Dunraven

Can you please enlighten us about "what is considered an MMO today? Please pray tell.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2012 10:06PM Irem said

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@Dunraven
ANet seems happy enough with the community. They certainly go out of their way to talk with us, interact with us, and answer questions. The CMs are well aware of the less mature facets of the fandom, but they also know how to deal with them and how to separate them from the constructive, helpful fans.

And no, the community doesn't have that image. Not only is it too small as yet to even come close, the game isn't even out yet. I'm pretty sure WoW still holds the crown for that (whether it's deserved or not) based solely on population and publicity.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2012 10:15PM Randomessa said

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@Dunraven

You're being criticized because you repeatedly erect strawmen about what GW2 fans are saying about the game and refuse to admit that you might not be as well-informed about its features than people who have been following its in and outs (the same people whose views you keep misrepresenting).

I could go into the details of how GW2 explicitly differs from SW:TOR as regards pre-release vs. post-release concerns about that game, but I get the feeling it would be pointless given that you've already decided what we fans do and don't believe about GW2. So instead, I'll just say: thanks for your expressed concern that we'll be disappointed that GW2 isn't something fans aren't claiming it will be.
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Posted: Feb 13th 2012 12:34PM (Unverified) said

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@Randomessa

Go ahead and 'go into details'. You won't though, just like every other fanboy of the game. You'll scream to high heaven about all the 'differences' and why GW2 is going to be some fantastic innovation and blah blah blah, but it's the same drivel that every other fan of every other mmo states. When they're pressed, all they can offer is lies and gross exaggerations and then they try to split semantic hairs with their phrasing.

"Oh, guild wars 2 doesn't have tanks and healers and damage, they have 'heal, support, control'! See? Different! Give it a rest.
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