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Posted: Feb 8th 2012 10:44AM Irem said

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Aww, that was sweet. A little corny, but sweet. ;)

And Trion continues to be awesome with their representation of same-gender couples in an official trailer. Way to show how it's done, Trion!

Posted: Feb 8th 2012 11:23AM fallwind said

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@Irem yeah... funny that you have FoFs going off the deep end about there "eventually" being same- sexed couples in ToR but completely missing that there already is in Rift.....
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Posted: Feb 8th 2012 11:43AM Irem said

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They most likely targeted TOR because it's more high-profile. They'll get a lot more publicity and positive response drumming up a "gays are corrupting Star Wars, of all things!" narrative than going after a smaller, less popular IP that most people outside of the MMO/gaming community haven't heard of.

The tide's already turned, and they know it. Five years ago it was considered risky to acknowledge the existence of LGBT people in a gaming context, and now it's getting increasingly more risky not to. It's been proven that the sky doesn't fall and people won't leave a game in droves if there are gay characters and social options for gay players, so it's hard to claim neutrality on the issue through non-inclusion any more. It's not exactly hard to make most of us happy when it comes to inclusion. Making us happy means we spend money. It's a win-win for the companies.

If FoF and their ilk go after games like RIFT, all they'll be doing is inviting people to take a look and realize just how little of an impact equal inclusion even has on a game. Until BioWare adds same-gender romances to TOR, they can keep raising the spectre of homosexuals wanting to get our filthy hands all over a cultural touchstone and warp it beyond recognition. After they're implemented, though, unless there's actually some kind of outcry, I bet 50 plat that FoF's attention will turn elsewhere.

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Posted: Feb 8th 2012 12:55PM yeppers said

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@Irem

Why all the attacks at people who don't embrace your worldview? That's not being very gay (Webster #1).
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Posted: Feb 8th 2012 1:01PM (Unverified) said

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Letting same sex characters marry in a game just makes sense all round for all types. I'm a female IRL, and my boyfriend likes to play female characters. We're not gay IRL, but our characters like each other obviously.
Restrictions on the pursuit of happiness are just BS for all walks of life, virtual included.

However... since I play Defiant currently (already did Guardian for a good many months. Loved it too).. part of me wants to say that the Defiant side should allow it, while the Guardians refuse and act like the religious zealot nut-jobs they are. ;P
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Posted: Feb 8th 2012 1:08PM Irem said

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@yeppers
I don't attack people who don't embrace my worldview. I take issue with people who think their easily-offended sensibilities entitle them to a world as free as possible from anyone who doesn't embrace theirs. Bigotry settles right in, makes itself comfortable, and balks at the idea of anything else invading its personal space when given half a chance, so I don't see any reason to tolerate it in action. In the abstract, people are free to think whatever the hell they want, and I hope that works out for them and doesn't make them too bitter and miserable.
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Posted: Feb 8th 2012 1:10PM Randomessa said

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@yeppers

I don't see a single personal attack in the above post.... Maybe you could point out where you see one?
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Posted: Feb 8th 2012 3:19PM rebelyankee said

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@Randomessa There is no personal attack. It's probably the same guy who got bent out of shape that the "homophobic white boy contingent" wasn't sufficiently catered to in Dragon Age 2.

Don't worry, yeppers, I'm SURE someone will make a game where you character can run around and gleefully murder gay people, and then you can spend all of your money in their in-game shop.
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Posted: Feb 8th 2012 10:54AM ElfLove said

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Why can't games, have some kinda perk, for the single folks out there?

I want a buff that isn't 'feeling left out and not human'. :(

Posted: Feb 8th 2012 11:07AM Irem said

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@ElfLove
Getting married ingame doesn't exactly have any substantial perks attached. I don't know that it's something I'd do, myself, but it's just a nice social/RP touch for those who like the idea, and not something you even have to be part of an actual RL couple to participate in.

Besides, there's lots of great things about being single, like apparently not having some giggling Kelari stealing your kills, or not having your love life voiced over by a dwarf.
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Posted: Feb 8th 2012 11:26AM ElfLove said

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@Irem

True. I guess I'm just so burned out, over having to leave so many guilds, where everyone pairs off, or brings in there spouse/partner/paramour...and with everyone coupled off, even an MMO can become a very lonely experience.

I know it sounds immature to leave a guild over those reasons, but couples don't understand that they create a little 'bubble' when they game, and they tend to ignore people around them, in guild chat, and even questing and instance running. You become the 14th wheel.

I just wish games would give a nice little RP touch, to those who exist in this life...alone.

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Posted: Feb 8th 2012 11:52AM Irem said

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@ElfLove
I can definitely understand feeling left out, and it's no fun to be the person on the outside. But best friends do that, too, and so do regular cliques--it's not a judgment on you, it's just people having a hard time balancing their social spheres.

There's definitely nothing wrong with being single, and not being romantically attached doesn't have to mean being alone. Guilds and parties are meant to bring people together in a non-romantic context, and from what I've seen the idea of tying the knot in an MMO--even for real-life couples--gets its share of scorn from people who think it's silly. I do think it'd be kind of cute to have a "____ the Proudly Single" title to match the one for couples, though. ;) Or maybe more ways to show that your character is dedicated fully to some cause?
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Posted: Feb 8th 2012 11:21AM Dunraven said

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Wow if they did this in TOR the hate machine would fly to Austin and burn Bioware to the ground. It's good to see that some communities still have a sense of fun.

Posted: Feb 8th 2012 11:28AM malaclypse said

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@Dunraven

lol, a sense of fun? they'd better not do it in an open world pvp area. I hope we all remember how that ends.
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Posted: Feb 8th 2012 11:32AM watchawatch said

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I applaud how brave Trion Worlds is to feature same-sex couples in the trailer.

Posted: Feb 8th 2012 11:43AM (Unverified) said

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@watchawatch

This comment makes me sad. Not because they aren't brave for doing it, but because it's the year 2012 and including same sex couples in a video game is still considered a brave act.

Old people suck :(
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Posted: Feb 8th 2012 1:36PM (Unverified) said

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Hey sonny - "old" people were blazing the trail for rights for all citizens, long before your mommy and daddy brought you into this world. Ever hear of the civil rights movement? It didn't move by itself.

Now get off my lawn!

(And kudos to Trion for inclusiveness)
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Posted: Feb 9th 2012 12:35AM (Unverified) said

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Hey old man, that still doesn't change the fact that the staunchest opposition toward rights for all individuals is in the 45 and up age group. The civil rights movement was a wonderful accomplishment but apparently your group of people still has issues with the gays.
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Posted: Feb 9th 2012 2:55AM (Unverified) said

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I am female, not male. Not sure who you are hanging with but "my" group of people, ancients over 40 that we are, want equal rights for all, without regard to race, gender, religion, national origin or, yes, sexual orientation. Since we are all so old and crotchety, I know you will forgive me if I impart two pieces of elder wisdom to you:

1. The first step to tolerance is learning not to stereotype. How is stereotyping the "old" any different than stereotyping gays or any other group?

2. You will win more converts to your cause by practicing what you preach.
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Posted: Feb 9th 2012 3:19AM (Unverified) said

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You mad? I think you mad.

First of all, "Old people suck. :( " was a joke, secondly your age group is still statistically the most opposed to equal rights for all, no amount of, "Don't stereotype me!" will change that, which was my point with the second post. Third, you don't speak for every single person over 40, I live in a very red state (Texas) which colors my impression, but it doesn't make my point that the 40 and up age group are nationally the most opposed to equal rights.

Fourth the 40 and up group is the most active voting block. If, as you say, the 40 and up age group supported equal rights for all we would have them as opposed to six states where same-sex marriage is legal, and it being illegal or legal with limited enumerated rights everywhere else.

In all of the 28 states that have had a state constitutional amendment voted on to ban same sex unions every. single. one passed, most active group? 40 and up. Group with the highest percentage in favor of that ban? 40 and up.

I'm glad you're a good human being and you believe in equal rights for all individuals That's how it should be and you are probably a wonderful person, but don't bury your head in the sand and pretend like your demographic is just like you, because it's not.
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