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Posted: Feb 1st 2012 6:16PM Abriael said

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I can already see hundreds of vocal haters cringing and crying bitter bitter tears at this one.

Posted: Feb 1st 2012 6:17PM (Unverified) said

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Thanks for the update. Good to see the game doing well right now. Now to see how it does over the next several months.

Posted: Feb 1st 2012 6:18PM JaySpeed said

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F2P in a year.

Just kidding. Good for them. I like Bioware games.

Posted: Feb 1st 2012 6:19PM Abriael said

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@Maseno You may want to know that numbers given during an official financial call of a publicly traded company have legal value. Falsifying them is a criminal offense.

So yeah, the numbers are real, and you're obviously mad about that.

Posted: Feb 1st 2012 6:20PM Adeptus Enginus said

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Wow, I must say this greatly surprises me... a little bit too much.

I know it's a third-party site, but I've been watching torstatus.net to keep up with how the game's load has been. While it's clearly not as trustworthy as numbers from the source would (or rather, should) be, it's pretty much the only thing to go on.

It starts tracking on the 15th, during the head start. You can see on the 20th when it was released, that the load substantially dropped; not because it actually lost anyone, but because more servers opened up and the potential load itself rose significantly. Yet even then, if you look at launch time to now, the load has dropped by roughly half and is still in a slow but steady decline.

Meaning that if they have 1.7 million subscribers now, then one can only assume that they had 3.4 million at launch, yet they claim only 2 million units are sold.

Now granted, this is pretty much speculation based upon the readings of a third-party tracking site, but it really just doesn't add up. Combined with the all but universal disdain this game has attracted (Sorry, but AoC and WAR COMBINED didn't attract this much hatred this soon after launch) across just about every non-fansite on the entirety of the net, I can't help but feel that there is tomfoolery afoot.

That said, if it's true then this is very good. The last thing the playerbase of SWTOR needs is EA turning a blind eye to them.

Posted: Feb 1st 2012 6:29PM Abriael said

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@Adeptus Enginus That site only tracks traffic. People play a LOT more when a game is new, then they sink into a routine and play less. This doesn't mean that they unsubscribe or stop playing.
It's pretty natural and happens with every game.

Numbers given during a financial call are legally binding. Falsifying them is a criminal offense. Ergo, the numbers are real.
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Posted: Feb 1st 2012 6:30PM mizcal said

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@Adeptus Enginus
Click on the FAQ of that site, it clearly states that those numbers do not represent population sizes in any way.

Also, the upset minority is always the loudest. Those who enjoy the game are too busy playing. If you only listen to the haters as your sole source of information... well, then I am surprised you own anything, seeing as how there are ALWAYS people to complain about EVERYTHING.
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Posted: Feb 1st 2012 6:32PM Adeptus Enginus said

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@Abriael

Yeah, as I made that post the "update" to the intial article was posted, which explains alot more. Though I do notice a bit of choice wording in a few places, and the term "of those 1.7 million, -MOST- are paying" doesn't bode well with me. Whenever I've seen a new MMO announce their total subscriptions with trial accounts still factored in, It's never ended well...

Ah well, here's to hopin' for the best.
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Posted: Feb 1st 2012 6:35PM avaloner said

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@Adeptus Enginus
That site like the RIFt one does not count subs all it counts is time logged in, and even that figure is debatable. I am sure you, just like MMO gamers play a new game alot when it first comes out but after awhile you don't play as much or just log onto raid. So because alot of people don't play as much after a while the server load will decline.

That does not mean people are not subed to the game as, as I pointed out those sites don't count active subs.
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Posted: Feb 1st 2012 6:45PM Abriael said

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@Adeptus Enginus There's nothing that wouldn't bode well. It's simple enough. As long as there's people purchasing the game, there will always be someone that still didn't finish his first free month.
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Posted: Feb 1st 2012 7:07PM Adeptus Enginus said

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@Abriael

Vagueness never bodes well in any industry, no matter the product. The fact that they chose to say "most of" instead of just stating the direct numbers could mean a number of things (or it could just be lazy wording).
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Posted: Feb 1st 2012 6:24PM (Unverified) said

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I am sure these numbers will reduce dramatically over the next few months, but only because this happens to pretty much all mmo's as the population balances out.

I haven't been particularly impressed with everything I've heard about this game since beta so I can't justify buying it, but I am sure I'll give it a go if they offer a free trial before gw2 is released.

Posted: Feb 1st 2012 6:24PM HyperKabuto said

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I like game and find this crazy. This explains their attitude, though.

Posted: Feb 1st 2012 6:30PM HokieKC said

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The game has only been out for 43 days. So I wonder what percentage of those 'subscribers' are still on their 30 day free playing time. I never pay attention to MMO subscriber numbers until about 3-4 months after launch.

Posted: Feb 1st 2012 6:31PM mispoem said

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Glad to see they had a good launch. I am currently on the fence about staying but I am there through April to let them settle into being an mmo. I love Bioware anything and the aspects that are clearly BW (ie. class stories) I love here. Some of the other things like end-game need major work. I understand it is a new game and will just roll alts till content fills out a bit. Only major gripe is CS which lies in EA's hands from what I know and they have always been lackluster at best with CS.

Posted: Feb 1st 2012 6:38PM Critical Mass said

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I guess "most" could mean something like 850.001 paying subscribers.

Posted: Feb 1st 2012 6:50PM Lateris said

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Nice!

Posted: Feb 1st 2012 6:54PM (Unverified) said

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How very open of them.

Who are they trying to convince?

Posted: Feb 1st 2012 7:05PM Lafajet said

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@(Unverified) Seeing as the news came from an investor call, I'd say their investors.
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Posted: Feb 1st 2012 7:07PM Deadalon said

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Its called "painting a pretty picture with stats"

You can create whatever picture if you make it 1 sided. And there isn't a company in the word that doesnt make it look good no matter what.

I think 2 million copies is not that great tbh. I would have expected much more considering that WOW managed much bigger in their first week of Cata.

I see this as a failure from EA - and now the real work starts of trying to keep those ppl longer than 3 months. The game simply is not strong enough MMO title to carry a sub for more than that atm. And Bioware is very sluggish of fixing and adding meaningfull content.

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