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Posted: Jan 31st 2012 5:05PM rezhoner said

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How was the player stolen? Unsecured PC? If this is the case than judge him for imbecility.

Posted: Jan 31st 2012 5:18PM Blay said

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@rezhoner
I'm gonna go out on a limb here but I'm guessing the kid didn't want to get stabbed and logged in his character and gave them the item when he threatened with the knife.

"teens attacked another youth and forced him at knifepoint to relinquish his possessions in RuneScape"

Try reading before throwing out words like imbecile.
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Posted: Jan 31st 2012 5:20PM Domintal said

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@rezhoner "The court recently upheld a ruling of a criminal case in which teens attacked another youth and forced him at knifepoint to relinquish his possessions in RuneScape, including an in-game amulet and knife."
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Posted: Jan 31st 2012 5:21PM smartstep said

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@rezhoner

reading compehension sucks this days I see...

KNIFEPOINT

Real Life...
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Posted: Jan 31st 2012 8:38PM rezhoner said

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@rezhoner

My bad I totally misread that part.

But in this case why were they judged for stealing virtual goods instead of simply attacking the kid?

The way they explain the story it sounded like if stealing virtual goods wasn't a crime they wouldn't have been judged.

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Posted: Feb 1st 2012 11:06AM Lenn said

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@rezhoner That's been explained a few times as well: this was something that took place in 2007. They were convicted of both theft and its circumstances. One of the perps appealed the theft part and a judge overruled. That's what this is about.
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Posted: Jan 31st 2012 5:07PM FuzzyPierce said

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I would argue that, yes, it's pretty obvious that assaulting someone is a crime, motive notwithstanding.

Posted: Jan 31st 2012 5:18PM FrostPaw said

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@FuzzyPierce

My thoughts too, a physical threat at knifepoint is a crime in the realworld. What was demanded is irrelevant.
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Posted: Jan 31st 2012 5:44PM Lenn said

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@FuzzyPierce That's not really the point here. Both kids had already been convicted for the theft. The punishment was higher than it normally would have been because they used violence. One of the convicted kids appealed the theft charges. The supreme court judge finally said "I don't think so".
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Posted: Jan 31st 2012 5:50PM Blay said

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@FrostPaw
I think what massively was trying to ask was if taking virtual goods should be the same a real life goods. This story was just a poor example as it involved a real life threat with a weapon which pushed it into the real of a real crime making what they demanded pointless for discussion.
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Posted: Feb 1st 2012 2:33PM Lenn said

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@Blay Really people, read it. They were convicted of theft and the violence they used. One of those kids said "but stealing make-belief items isn't really stealing" and the judge said "nice try". Whether or not violence was used is irrelevant. They had already been convicted for their use of violence.
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Posted: Jan 31st 2012 5:08PM Ripper McGee said

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How could the defense possibly argue that the items had no economic value when the defendants physically assaulted somebody in order to acquire said items? If obtaining the items was so important to the defendants that they had to resort to real life violence then there must have been real life value to the items in question unless they were just being griefers.

Posted: Jan 31st 2012 5:08PM killploki said

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So is attacking and holding a knife to someone without the theft acceptable?

Posted: Jan 31st 2012 5:42PM (Unverified) said

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@killploki No, but it is a separate crime from the theft crimes. In the states it would be assault with a deadly weapon/battery. My guess is that these kids were probably charged with something similar to assault but then also for theft. Without being more familiar with Dutch Law or reading the actual opinion I can't say for sure, though.
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Posted: Jan 31st 2012 5:43PM (Unverified) said

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@(Unverified) Oh, and of course, there is always good ol' armed robbery. I'm sure the Dutch have a version of that.
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Posted: Jan 31st 2012 5:09PM Deadalon said

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Lohoool - Person is threatened with knife and Massively manages to make it about MMORPGs ? Who on earth cares if they made him give away stuff in Runescape. They used KNIVE in REAL LIFE !!

So... until I see a courtcase where some1 is jailed for stealing stuff from others INGAME - then no... this has nothing to do with mmorpgs.

Posted: Jan 31st 2012 5:20PM Lenn said

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@Deadalon The kid was threatened with a knife and forced to hand over his Runescape items to the other kids. Why do you fail to see the MMO connection?
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Posted: Jan 31st 2012 5:50PM Space Cobra said

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@Deadalon

Also, the items provided a motive. Motive is needed to make sense of such a case. If the other kids didn't care about the Runescape items, they wouldn't have beaten up and threatened the victim with a knife, just to get the items.

The items provided motive. The attackers wanted/desired such items, so they acted on that. Cause and effect. You may rightly say just threatening with a knife is enough reason to jail someone, but then they could argue "insanity" if there was no known motive.

If someone wanted a diamond necklace in a Tiffany store and held the place at gunpoint, but was thwarted and did not get the necklace and then had to run away, they could still be charged with "attempted robbery" after the fact. Same thing with "Attempted Murder".
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Posted: Jan 31st 2012 6:06PM Deadalon said

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@Space Cobra

So lets see... does it matter if it was MMORPG item? Would it be ok that you pointed knive to ANY person at ANY time?

Thats the point. If the motive was an item in a mmorpg game doesn't matter. This is about using a knive to threaten a person in ANY way.
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Posted: Jan 31st 2012 6:25PM Blay said

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@Deadalon
Massivley isn't asking if threatening someone with a knife is a crime. They are asking if virtual items should be treated like real life goods even if they don't have a dollar value. This story isn't a very good example as a knife was involved but the question is still up there to be asked if you read carefully.

"Is stealing a virtual good deserving of a real-world criminal sentence?"

stolen goods "were neither tangible nor material and, unlike for example electricity, had no economic value."

That question itself is directly related to mmorpgs.
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