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Posted: Jan 25th 2012 8:59AM Joaquin Crowe said

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@(Unverified) Does it really count? It's just 1/3 of a game anyway!

Posted: Jan 25th 2012 9:02AM Urban Monkey said

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Good news! People don't realize how much crap we are being fed because of this stupid convention:
1. No news or updates for months before BlizzCon so that they have something to talk about
2. Releasing information about not yet finalized game features against company policy in order to have something to reveal at BlizzCon (see Mystic Artisan, Nephalem Cube and Cauldron of Jordan in Diablo 3 and their removal this week)
3. Ignoring all other gaming conventions, keeping all news/reveals for BlizzCon (this will still be the case, even this year)

To me, BlizzCon represents everything wrong today with Blizzard as a developer. Their arrogant "we are too good for regular game conventions so we made our own" mentality will come back to bite in the ass one day.

Posted: Jan 25th 2012 9:17AM Eamil said

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@Urban Monkey

Two things:

"2. Releasing information about not yet finalized game features against company policy in order to have something to reveal at BlizzCon (see Mystic Artisan, Nephalem Cube and Cauldron of Jordan in Diablo 3 and their removal this week) "

Assuming that anything is "final" before the game is out is probably a bad idea. This goes for any game - if something is deemed unnecessary or not up to snuff, it should be changed/scrapped. It's not like they announced the things you just listed at Blizzcon and then scrapped them a week later - we've literally known about those things for years.

"Their arrogant "we are too good for regular game conventions so we made our own" mentality will come back to bite in the ass one day."

Blizz still has a presence at some regular game conventions, and they're FAR from the only developer to host its own convention.
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Posted: Jan 25th 2012 12:14PM Vandal said

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@Urban Monkey Before they started it Blizzard really should have decided if they wanted to make BlizzCon something for their fans (like PAX) or whether they wanted to make it a commercial vehicle to get press (like E3).

The problem is that they continually present BlizzCon as though it was was just for the fans when in fact it's really just a commercial vehicle. This should serve as a reminder to people.
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Posted: Jan 25th 2012 9:19AM trinica said

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Dude, what? =o
That's actually kind of sad, I always enjoyed updates on SCII and watching the tournaments unfold....And we could all use a good laugh at Kung Fu Pandaria!!

Posted: Jan 25th 2012 9:26AM Dunraven said

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Jamed packed my ass....they are skipping Blizcon because WoW is still hemorrhaging players (what is it over 3 mil lost now? ) They fired the producer for D3 and the game is still nowhere near launch ready and SC II wasn't the genre crossing blowout that the investors thought it would be (More Koreans are still playing SC i than SC 2) Blizzard is on its way down... people laugh scream and say no way..but it's true..

I had a couple mates actually attend last year’s Blizcon flew all the way from Bristol...they said you could tell it was the last one. WoW lost a ton of players to TOR (despite the whole well funded smear campaign and that whole Tortannic rubbish) and will lose a hell of a lot more to GW2. By 1st Q 2013 WoW will be lucky to have five million players
worldwide...I'm betting on more like Three million.

My uncle works in the industry and he said they have been hearing rumors for months that Chris Metzen and Sam Didier are leaving Blizzard to form their own company....in four years Blizzard will just be another brand name of Activision that cranks out their MMO and RTS titles. And please don’t take this post as me crowing about it. I’m beyond upset Blizzard once was the industry leader for a damn good reason. Bobby K took a remarkable company and ran it into the ground in less than three years.

Blizzard is a lot like SOE was when WoW first launched ....but this time the King is having to deal with Two developers that are shaking up the industry Arenanet and Bioware…..and I get that it’s popular to say Bioware has failed…but multiple GOTY awards high ratings and three million and growing subscriber rate isn’t a failure and GW2 will be the game that everyone just buys to check out whether they will be avid players or not. The industry has changed…I don’t think it’s change for the belter though.

Posted: Jan 25th 2012 10:35AM (Unverified) said

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@Dunraven

"and I get that it’s popular to say Bioware has failed"

Well it's interesting that you are already counter arguing and argument to the crux of your argument, almost as if you have a certain amount of uncertainty about the argument. Of course all of this coming form the person who thinks it's popular to say Blizzard is doomed with not a single solid argument.
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Posted: Jan 25th 2012 10:56AM Dunraven said

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@(Unverified) Nope I just heard it before....and I'm not saying Blizzard is doomed what I am saying is that Blizzard has been Activisioned and it is showing.

I don't expect any more Blizzcons their Merchandiser are dropping their license like mad (The Magazine the action figures the T-shirts all gone or going) the Novel line up is about 1/4 of previous years and subscription numbers keep dropping......at at least three million maybe more now

That's pretty solid arguments...I mean unless you are a blind fan which I don't think you are, but it's not Doom It's an gut check moment for Blizzard...I personally hope they turn it around.
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Posted: Jan 25th 2012 10:56AM Lethality said

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@Dunraven And every other game would still BEG, KILL AND STEAL to have 3 million players.

WoW and Blizzard will be around for a long, long time. They're excellent developers, you should be thankful.
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Posted: Jan 25th 2012 11:03AM Joaquin Crowe said

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@Dunraven Entirely expected as Bobby Kotick is from the Vulture Capitalist school of plundering.
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Posted: Jan 25th 2012 11:39AM Ariolander said

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@Lethality Try explaining that to your shareholders.

"Sure our numbers are half as much as last year, but any other company would be glad to be in our position"

No, I don't think that will fly very well at all.
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Posted: Jan 25th 2012 12:41PM avaloner said

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@Dunraven
I hope you remember your predictions on WOWs population numbers come next year and your predictions of GW2 dominace. I Think you are deluded but time will tell. I bet you will conveniatly forget your predictions is they are way off.

WOW largely made the modern MMO industry what it is today. Yes they brought alot of bad influeces into it but if WOW was not as succesful like it was who knows what MMOs would have ended up like. Before WOW they where a niche genra for computer game nerds and console players had almost no idea what an MMO was.

WOW brought interest in MMO from players and by extension of that money men, who brought invesetment and big budgets for MMO games.

Also people have been predicting the death of WOW for years and yet it is still makeing more money then you, your family and 20 generations of your decendants and ansestors every year.
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Posted: Jan 25th 2012 12:45PM (Unverified) said

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@Dunraven
Actually if Metzen left that may very well help Warcraft with one respect, and that's storytelling.

I have loved the Warcraft story for years, but it go tto the point of ridiculousness with his love of Thrall. He repeats the same plot points constantly (2010:Hey let's destroy Southshore to get the war between the Alliance and the Horde ramped up. 2012:Hey, let's destroy Theramore to get the war between the Alliance and the Horde ramped up. This is just one example of many). I've never even understood the obsession with Thrall and how he is so much of a hero considering the number of blunders he has written into the character.

As much as I hate the fact that Metzen's storytelling has declined, to me, this is a chance for some fresh air, if it's true. Now if only Vivendi will get rid of that idiotic ActiBlizz CEO, things could really get back to normal for Blizz.
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Posted: Jan 25th 2012 1:21PM (Unverified) said

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@avaloner
Let's see, they lose 1.7 million in 2011 (Q4 still needing to be announced). Let's assume they don't lose anymore for Q4 (doubtful, but let's just use the currently known 1.7 million number), do you really think they won't lose at least 2.5 million during the coming year before MoP is released? They will lose more during a year of no content release than they did during a year of it.

It's hard seeing WoW having more than 6 million by the end of 2012 no matter how you see it. You can call Dunraven deluded all you want, but if you really think a game will not hemmoraghe huge numbers during a period of nothing new, then it's your head in the sand.

And perhaps bringing the interest of money men and huge budgest may not be all that good. Are you saying that the Kotick mentality is a good thing for gamers?

And you are placing the blame on the wrong CEO's shoulders. Morhaime may be CEO of Blizzard, but Kotick is the CEO of ActiBlizz. Since Vivendi bought Activision and merged them with Blizzard and place Bobby Kotick as it's CEO, his fingerprints are all over WoW and other Blizzard products. Morhaime oversaw the greatest growth of an MMO, but since Kotick took over, the game has not grown at all. Not mention Morhaime is between a rock and a hard place. If he speaks out, he would likely end up as the good people at Infinity Ward ended up when they argued for the integrity of Call of Duty.
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Posted: Jan 25th 2012 1:22PM (Unverified) said

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@Dunraven I'm interested, how could your mates tell it was the last blizzcon? what were the signs?

blizz lost a bit under 2 mill to last count and around 1.5 mill people have gotten swtor, most likely a coincidence =P, many of those will stay, but many others will go back.

a magazine in 2012? dude really? toys and t-shirt licenses come and go so meh.

WoW will indeed continue to lose players, there are more people who have left than playing, but it won't be so soon.

GW2 won't be competing for subscription money and swtor didn't shake the industry that much, it lacks many features and has some issues with it's graphic engine, addressing those will be the difference between swtor being real competition to WoW or just someone else who saw a saturated market and said; me too!

by the way my cousin's dog works in the industry and said he heard from his sources that activision is buying bioware after it's many blunders.


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Posted: Jan 25th 2012 1:27PM (Unverified) said

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Actually they lost more than the magazine. The comics were cancelled, The Shattering had horrid sales, and the second pre Cata storyline novel apparently didn't sell well either.

The fact is merchandise tells a story of the strength of a product. If associated merchandise goes into a serious decline, it's a sign that the core fan base is leaving. If WoW lost 1.7 million but the merchandise was selling well, it would be an indication that the core fan base was still around. But it's leaving fast.
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Posted: Jan 25th 2012 1:46PM Dunraven said

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@(Unverified) Yeah it seems that the uber fans are having a hard time facing reality.....a lot of folks her peg me as a Blizzard hater (yeah I bought every Blizzard product for the past eight years really a hater /eyeroll) but that isn't the case I just see where Blizzard is heading....and I really don't blame Blizzard totally....but between TOR and GW2....WoW and DIII has got to do a hell of a lot to keep me interested.

I think Blizzard needs to circle it's wagons get ready for GW2 to own the media as much if not more than TOR is currently doing and start putting out quality content for WoW and stop being so damn secretive with DIII; if they do that they might survive this.
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Posted: Jan 25th 2012 2:03PM avaloner said

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I am aware that WOWS subs are going down but I still think Dunravens predictions are a little over the top, but as I said we will see. Also about the money men, I am glad they came around because it means there is more investment into MMOs thus meaning new titles.

I said it also brought bad thing about for the genra as it has in every genra of gaming realy. All are full of "clones" not just MMOs. But so is the music and movie industy, the comic industry the book industry, the magazine industry etc.

In the end l would rather then money men be investing in MMOs then not investing in them and suffer through WOW "clones". WOW "clones" are better then no games at all or badly translated asian games.

The lack of inovation is not the fault of devs and moneymen totaly its the consumer. Gamers like to think they are guiltless in the whole thing but really they are the reason the industry is in the state it is in.

My prediction that I will stand by if i'm right or wrong is that GW2 will be a modarate success and wont be the second coming as many people so blindly think it will be and it wont kill WOW... Just like all the other MMOs people thought where going to be the next WOW.

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Posted: Jan 25th 2012 3:31PM Eamil said

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"Vivendi bought Activision and merged them with Blizzard"

Holy crap I was starting to think I was the only person that understands this. Thank you. We're five years down the line and I still see people going "Activision bought Blizzard" and it just makes me headdesk.
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Posted: Jan 25th 2012 3:33PM Eamil said

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@Dunraven

The comic was canned? That's good news. Maybe the whole mess will be declared non-canon and I'll never have to see "Med'an the half-orc half-human half-draenei palashamadinmage" in my game.
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