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Posted: Jan 25th 2012 8:48AM (Unverified) said

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HAHAHAHAHAHA

Posted: Jan 25th 2012 10:14AM yeppers said

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There's nothing funny about this. Blizzcon is the latest victim of SOPA. Dreamworks called Blizzard... they want their pandas back.
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Posted: Jan 25th 2012 10:21AM Borick said

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@yeppers SOPA has nothing to do with this, and the schadenfreude is both amusing and satisfying.

I hope ArenaNet buries the bastards. They lost their magic after Burning Crusade and wasted far too much time on their Blizzconning to the detriment of their game and the genre as a whole.
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Posted: Jan 25th 2012 10:54AM (Unverified) said

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"Mushi mushi Dreamworks, this is Blizzard speaking. We would like to remind you that Warcraft III came out long before Kung Fu Panda."
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Posted: Jan 25th 2012 11:36AM yeppers said

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Yeah I was mostly kidding. This is sad news for people who wanted to go. I went to Blizzcon in 2007 and had a blast.
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Posted: Jan 25th 2012 6:14PM (Unverified) said

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It's not hate, it's disappointment.

Blizzard is not the same company post merger, and if you have followed Blizzard for any length of time you would realize this.

While I am disappointed in Metzen's storyline direction for Warcraft, that would not keep me from buying their products. What keeps me from buying their products is the Kotick-style management that has been pervasive post merger. And Vivendi needs to know that from people who feel like that in hopes they will make a change at ActiBlizz in the CEO department.
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Posted: Jan 25th 2012 8:51AM Jimjamyaha said

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This is sad news. While they're releasing so many games this year. Conventions like BlizzCon which reveal sweet sweet nectory information really bring the community together. Everybody loves new information!!

Posted: Jan 25th 2012 10:30AM Borick said

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@Jimjamyaha People love a dialog. Blizzard doesn't have an open dialog with its players. The disconnect is starting to reach the level of absurdity.
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Posted: Jan 25th 2012 12:26PM (Unverified) said

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Yeah, it's not like Blues post on forums in response to threads or anything. Or there's a Dev Watercooler. Or stuff like that.

Oh wait.
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Posted: Jan 25th 2012 12:30PM Borick said

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@(Unverified) I don't consider that an open dialog any more than I would consider a press release to be open dialog.

What EVE has with their community is dialog. The Eve players have a voice that the developers can't ignore.

WoW barely acknowledges their player base as anything other than a market.
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Posted: Jan 25th 2012 1:29PM (Unverified) said

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"WoW barely acknowledges their player base as anything other than a market."

That has nothing to do with dialog. Blizz actively reads forum posts, looks at what people are specifically posting in specific threads, and responds to those specific threads. There's a thread about legendary acquisition rate and how raiding guilds which do 25-mans get them faster than 10-mans. Blizz responds to that thread, people respond to the Blizz post, then Blizz responds back. They then change the rate based on feedback. How is that not open dialog? How is there a disconnect when there are Blues responding to actual threads by actual subscribers? A press release is totally different from a forum post.
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Posted: Jan 25th 2012 2:05PM 3dpenguin said

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Blizz doesn't listen to the over all player base, no matter what you might think. They develop content based on what they think will keep the most active players playing (the raiders) while keeping the casual players just interested enough to continue paying $15 a month, the changes they've made to the game over the past 12 months have been one horrible choice after another though, and they've lost a good amount of players from both categories. Those blue posts aren't responding to ideas and requests on the boards, the are responding with what Blizzard is actively doing, the company doesn't take recommendations or requests from its consumers, and anybody who thinks otherwise is just delusional.
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Posted: Jan 25th 2012 2:07PM Borick said

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@(Unverified) The blues cherry-pick what they reply to, and the players have no direct representation -- no power to make their voice applicable unless it's to pull up stakes and vote with our wallets'.

I'll stand as corrected that Blizzard has dialog with their customers, but I was never satisfied with it and their attempts to justify their decisions don't speak as loudly as the subtext of their marketing exploits.
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Posted: Jan 25th 2012 5:31PM (Unverified) said

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Really now? So Transmog was a bad idea? It's not like people were requesting a wardrobe-like function since the game came out....oh wait, they HAVE been requesting that, and in the end, even if in some odd world it wasn't a requested feature, what's so "horrible" about the choice to implement it?

LFR was a bad idea that didn't involve listening to the player base at all? Instead of just "barely keeping casuals interested," as you say, by barely introducing content, they introduce the entire scheme of raiding to casual players. How was LFR a horrible choice? That's been extremely well-received. How was LFR not a response to the casual playerbase saying how they didn't like how raiding was hardcore-only content?

So no, the new features they've introduced recently HAVEN'T been terrible choices, people AREN'T leaving because of these new features, and they ARE response to what consumers, especially the casual players, are asking for.
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Posted: Jan 25th 2012 5:35PM (Unverified) said

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@Borick

Being unsatisfied and saying it doesn't exist are two different things.

And even then, the playerbase is widely diverse and has many, many casual players, the type not to go on forums and be vocal. Blizz wants to cater to both the casuals and the hardcore players, but they absolutely can't look at forums and say "this is an accurate representation of what the entire playerbase wants" because the forums are very much a case of a vocal minority.

Could they listen more to the playerbase? Yes. Are they perfect? No. But I really don't think the disconnect is as large as you think. As I said in another post, they ARE beginning to implement long-requested features.
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Posted: Jan 25th 2012 6:34PM (Unverified) said

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Transmog was a half hearted attempt to give what was asked for. What people wanted to an appearance tab/costume slots. Transmog still doesn't allow actual costumes to be worn, making those essentially bank filler.

And speaking of bank filler, Void Storage was another slap in the face. Not only did they not give the tabard tab they said they would back during Wrath, but the Void Storage does not allow tabards or costumes, or other myriad of things people want the extra storage for, to be stored there. Would it have been to hard to implement tabs for personal banks like they do for guild banks?

As for LFR, yes, many people were screaming "I want to see the content". The ironic thing is these are the same people that would laugh at others for discussing the lore, the very point of said content. And what people predicted would happen has happened. "Why isn't LFR loot as good as normal loot? That's not fair!", "Why can't I roll on loot on a boss more than once a week if I don't win anything the first time?? That's not fair!", "Nerf normal and heroic mode now so I can get real gear if you won't give it to me in LFR!!". Why are they nerfing normal and heroic modes for these players if all they wanted was to see the content? It's not like normal and heroic mode Deathwing is Lord Prestor's identical twin brothers.
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Posted: Jan 25th 2012 9:23PM (Unverified) said

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Hardly half-hearted. You want to wear old Tier gear or gear that looks awesome but has too low stats? You can. That's what Transmog does. The VAST majority of gear you can transmog....how is that half-hearted? Half-hearted would be "oh you can only do SOME slots" or "it has to be from this expansion" or something. People wanted a way to wear whatever gear they wanted. They got it, outside of silly items (which, by the way, Blizz can allow at any point). The number of people who wanted to wear old tier or gear from older expansions VASTLY outnumbers the people who ONLY want to wear silly gear and get no use out of this at all. So no, not half-hearted at all.

Void Storage isn't bank filler. It's directly related to transmog. You saved up 11 tiers of old gear because you were hoping one day that Transmog would appear? Well guess what, now you can move those 11 tiers into VS and have extra actual bank space for, say, tabards. It's a waste that VS can't hold different types of items? Well....move the gear out of your bank and put it in VS so you have extra bank space. There's no way for you to spin it so that it's better not having VS than it is having VS. At most, if you have absolutely no gear at all in your banks than VS does nothing for you. Even if you have one piece of gear total in your bank, VS is a good thing because you now have one open bank slot.

Lore isn't for everyone. Some people raid for the boss mechanics and to group up and do something epic. I guarantee you, not every single normal or heroic mode raider is there for the lore. Saying "oh the content's open for non-lore junkies" is a "disadvantage" is absurd. I'm a lore junkie, but who cares if lore's the point of the content? It provides the settings and the names but it sure as hell doesn't provide the boss mechanics. So people saying "I want to see the content," sure, some are there for lore and now they get to see the lore, but also now people can take down bosses and experience boss mechanics they never would have gotten to experience otherwise.

Yes, there are problems like you stated but if you think the nerfs are for people who want to get better gear, that's ridiculous. They nerf content, they did it with Firelands which was before LFR. LFR is for people who don't have time to raid with a guild...so you're saying that they want Normals nerfed so they can....do what? So they can join a guild and do normals, even though they don't have time for it? So they can PUG it but get gear at essentially the same rate?

And if that's true, then there's no way in hell that's the reasoning for the Heroic nerfs. What, LFR players want the gear so they want Blizz to nerf not just normals but heroics? Makes no sense at all.
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Posted: Jan 26th 2012 12:11AM (Unverified) said

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Sorry, but going to an NPC and laying down cash is not what people asked for. It's like Blizzard did what people wanted, but tried to make it as difficult as possible. And you can talk about silly items all you want, but if you have ever played any of the Warcraft games, you know Warcraft has never been a completely serious fantasy game. It has never taken itself all that seriously. You don't see silly Star Trek and Star Wars parodies in fantasy games that try to be serious. So all those "silly costumes" they give out on holidays still are nothing but bank filler.

And people wanted extra bank space for all the items they have collected over the years, not just for old tier sets that they would transmog. And using void storage removes enchants and gems. Thats very bad for weapons when you have an older, hard to get enchant that gives a nice effect to the weapon. But still, tabard tabs still haven't been implemented, but I suppose that sits alongside player housing, guild halls and the dance studio as promised features never to be delivered.

And if lore isn't for everyone, then what was the point of making an easy tank and spank mode for raiding which was done so people could "see the content"? Remember, these people who wanted this were the ones saying "I don't want to be a hardcore raider, I want to see the content". If they don't care about the content and they don't care about the gear (supposedly), then what is the point of it all? Well, apparently that's really not the case. And when they are subjected to some of the rules that have always been applied to raids since day one, like rolling for loot one time per week, they complain. So I wasn't even speaking to the normal and hardcore raiders, who don't like the lore, who also btw do not like the nerfs, because now there is an easy mode for those who didn't want to do "real raiding".

Apparently you haven't kept up with it. The people who are using LFR have been demanding these nerfs, which have occured only a month after the release of the raid, one of the fastest ever nerfs, because the gear isn't as good as LFR (although they demanded LFR because they claimed at the time they didn't care about the gear). So once again, you have people who are Farmville-style casuals who want essentially to be handed "shinies" for no effort.

This is Blizzard's biggest problem. They have gotten away from telling the Warcraft story in WoW. They have catered to players who do not care about it, who will not be lining up to purchase WC4 or anything else. This is why the hardcore Warcraft fan is leaving in droves. See all the abysmal sales of outside merchandise for proof of that. You stop catering to your base, you stop having a viable long term product.
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Posted: Jan 25th 2012 8:59AM Uncommon said

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I'll live.

Posted: Jan 25th 2012 12:08PM Vanir said

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See, this is what the Mayan Calander actually predicted.... No Blizzcon in 2012...

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