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Posted: Jan 25th 2012 6:35PM (Unverified) said

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I'll buy the game when they add total UI customization option (not just having bars on the side and bottom, I want to be able to configure my UI anyway I want - see "Dominos" and "kgPanels" addons for WoW).

I don't care if you have aversion to addons, but just give me more options to customize the UI and I'll buy your game, BioWare.

Posted: Jan 25th 2012 6:43PM dudemanjac said

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I don't understand all this begging for UI customization. I definitely don't understand ppl who bring that up as a reason for not getting the game.

Posted: Jan 25th 2012 6:59PM magstheblue said

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@dudemanjac Let me help you understand then. Everyone has different Pc's, which means what everyone looks at is different. a good example is i play on 5 screens. in WoW with addons i move all the information that i want to exactly where i want it. now with TOR i cant move anything. i have ui elements that are miles away, and its just not worth my bother. another example is, if you have tried something better (like custom UI) then its hard to go back to what someone else thinks is a good fit for you. i enjoy TOR with friends but dont take the game seriously. have unsubbed until a later time.
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Posted: Jan 25th 2012 10:25PM Celtar said

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@dudemanjac

Control of UI is a big one for players, it can make or break an mmorpg. I know I personally have walked away from more than one mmorpg when I found the UI cumbersome, unwieldy etc.

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Posted: Jan 25th 2012 11:11PM Apakal said

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@dudemanjac

UI control and customization was one of the main things that kept me playing WoW as long as I did. At 80 I probably spent more time making custom UIs then I did running (the same) content (over and over again).

It boils down to being able to craft the exact gaming experience you want. When I can't place frames where I want them and display information how I want it, I'm simply not going to enjoy the game as much as I could when I can make it totally cater to my experience.

No one can make a UI that servers all purposes for all players and all classes. There's inevitably going to be shortcomings. Opening your API up to players to make it what they want is the absolute most simple and assured way to make sure you're giving the players everything they want.
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Posted: Jan 25th 2012 11:14PM dudemanjac said

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@magstheblue Sorry for double post...

Sorry. UI has never killed a game for me. And I'm pretty sure I've had a go at most of the major releases since WoW came out. I really don't know what to tell you about using 5 screens to play. I would bet the majority us are not hampered with such a 1st World problem though.
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Posted: Jan 25th 2012 11:21PM Apakal said

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@dudemanjac

But if you did, you don't think you would feel the same way? I know I wouldn't be pumped if I couldn't fully use the technology I invested in in the way I intended to, all because of some archaic notion of gaming-purity. Its just flawed and unnecessary.
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Posted: Jan 25th 2012 11:50PM Rayve said

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@dudemanjac Whatever bro, the ui is a big deal to a lot of people. It's not just focused on certain people either. I can remember several people from other games that almost did a rage quit just because the game accidentally broke features in their ui addons. That goes for raiders, guild leaders, crafters, whatever .... I know I was borderline about to quit until I saw the video of ui customization being addressed.

Just because it's not a big deal to you does not mean it isn't to others. I think religion is a massive joke but I bet I would be flamed non stop just for stating it.

I seriously hope you start to consider things from other points of view instead of your narrow minded one you currently use.
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Posted: Jan 26th 2012 2:49AM dudemanjac said

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@Rayve Whole point of this post was to get those other views. Mostly what I got is that some ppl don't like playing the game as designed. That's fine. I'm not gonna tell them they should change. My point is that the majority of gamers will get along just fine without add-on and massive ui tweaks. I have used them in the past, but I never quit a game because they were missing or ever made a decision to buy a game purely on the ui.

I was bummed that it didn't have target of target. But then it occured to me that when it comes right down to it, the only way I should know who is targeting who is by watching them attack that person. Crisis solved. But if an add-on comes out, i'll most likely use it. But it's hardly a deal breaker. But that's me. I don't need that to enjoy the game. But hey, feel free to make more uninformed opinions of me.
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Posted: Jan 26th 2012 3:04AM Rayve said

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@dudemanjac That is exactly the point. It is just you and your way of dealing with it. Many others will not deal with it. They will leave and Bioware will have to come up with solutions to lure them back. My point still stands.
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Posted: Jan 26th 2012 7:26AM Negatron said

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@magstheblue

Playing WoW on 5 screens is total overkill, even if its "your" preference. People with the killer rigs that spend most their time on a mid range intensive MMO kill me whether it be here, on vent, or on forums.

"I raid, and my liquid cooled space center runs WoW at no less than 120fps"

- Nice work captain... ;P

((Note, plenty of the World First guilds play with the essentials.))
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Posted: Jan 26th 2012 10:31AM dudemanjac said

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@Rayve Except my point is that it is you, your rage quitting buddies and Dr. Five screens up there are in the minority when it comes to ppl leaving a game because of ui customization. Hey Mags, how does that work any way? I'm curious what that looks like. Can you post a pic or something?

I don't think all that many ppl are leaving but I could be convinced otherwise with numbers. Number you don't have of course. I suppose if Bioware would be willing to release the results of their "Why did you leave" question all these games have when you quit. I suppose maybe even a poll from the SWTOR forum would do. Though that might be suspect. I imagine, like me, the happy customers have abandoned the the flaming and childishness and are too busy playing the game. I know that's what took me so long to respond to this last night.
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Posted: Jan 26th 2012 11:01AM Rayve said

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@dudemanjac Everyone thinks they are the majority including you. You are actually probably the minority and just don't know it. It's really sad.
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Posted: Jan 26th 2012 11:32AM dudemanjac said

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@Rayve Wrong again. For the most part, I'm in the minority on a lot of things. It would seem this statement can just as easily apply to you. You think that people are leaving the game in waves because they can't adjust the screen and have fluff like dps meters. I say you're wrong and that most ppl don't bother with them. At the very least they are not basing their purchase on them. Niether of us has proof. Just two ppl giving their opinions.
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Posted: Jan 26th 2012 11:41AM Rayve said

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@dudemanjac Have anything to back up that you are not. That's what I thought. Quit using your opinion as fact.
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Posted: Jan 26th 2012 11:44AM Rayve said

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@dudemanjac http://www.torstatus.net/shards/us/trends There you go, full and high status is tanking while the low status is sky rocketing. It's not a perfect trend but it's really all we have to work with until something official is released.
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Posted: Jan 26th 2012 11:56AM dudemanjac said

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@Rayve I did say it was just an opinion, didn't I? You need to get a grip. Also all this chart shows is that the server became less congested. It says nothing about the actual population. It also doesn't say why they left, something I mentioned earlier that would probably end this debate. But you probably didn't read that either.
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Posted: Jan 26th 2012 12:01PM Rayve said

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@dudemanjac I was really thinking the same thing about you. I'm not even anywhere close to being upset. I do this just for fun because I can't stand people who force their opinion on other people such as yourself. I'm actually a paid 6 month sub to swtor so I enjoy the game and want it to succeed. I believe it is people such as yourself stuck in old ways that will kill it off and it will just be another failed mmo. People may disagree with you in life .... get over it.
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Posted: Jan 26th 2012 12:30PM dudemanjac said

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@Rayve Do you hear yourself? You must be mad! I've done nothing but question why it is so important to ppl and state why it's not important to me. Point out to me where I tried to shove anything down anyone's throat. I'm not stuck in any old ways. I said that I use them too, but I don't think they are important.

I actually was coming to point out that your chart there does show some population decrease, but I think we all knew that was coming. Still doesn't support your reason for them leaving. Doesn't say it's not happening, but you have no proof that that is the reason for the decline beyond you incredibly small anecdotal evidence.

To quote you, "People may disagree with you in life .... get over it." Difference between you and me is the immature tone you're using. You might need to grow up a little.
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Posted: Jan 26th 2012 1:39PM Rayve said

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@dudemanjac I'm done as I refuse to debate with anyone who resorts to insults. Perhaps when you mature enough to maintain a conversation that can go both ways send me a memo. Have fun always being right.
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