RIFT available on EA's Origin today

@Joaquin Crowe As Opposed to Steam Spyware?

@Dunraven

Sorry, but the Steam engine / browser whatever you want to call it is much better than Origin and that battlelog junk.

@Dunraven Except Origin is Steam done wrong and should be used as an example of how NOT to provide a service. Other than that you are totally right...

@(Unverified)

While I agree that Origin is shite...battlelog is only something BF3 has. And it works very well fyi.

@Lance001 I hope you don't include Steam in this statement.

@Braiks Valve treats their customers right, unlike EA.

@wahahabuh whoops that comment was meant to be for dunraven in the other post

@Lance001
Right, "randomly".

Its so clear when people do zero research beyond what someone on the internet told them, and then refuse to believe they were lied to.

Valve may treat their customers ok, but Steam and Origins are pretty much the same thing when it comes to controversial things about Origins.

@KvanCetre First, Braiks, I love Steam, and I've always been treated remarkably well in any misunderstandings (i.e., money refunded or new CD-Key issued).

KvanCetre, as a personal user of both Steam and Origin, my "zero research" involves having been on the phone and online chat (simultaneously, to my displeasure) for eight hours straight attempting to get my purchased copy of Battlefield 3 to even show up in my games. Once it showed up, it said my CD-Key was invalid...the same key that I used to activate the download in the first place.

So thank you for your mocking tone, but my personal experience is enough research for me, and I thoroughly abhor Origin while loving Steam (who also has better deals, a cleaner and more intuitive user interface, better integration of friends and chat, and the ability to easily trade games and items, as well as opt into beta updates for recent released games).

@Lance001
That example had zero to do with EA revoking your game.
I never said the service was good, I'm just tired of overblown stories about how EA will take your games away because they can.

@KvanCetre You contradict yourself in the same sentence. Customer service is a HUGE factor for a service where you buy games but you use them through their servers and you might have to contact them regularly, yet you say the controversial things for Origin can be used against Steam?

@KvanCetre From Origin's Terms of Service: "If you have not used your Entitlements or Account for twenty four (24) months or more and your Account has associated Entitlements, your Entitlements will expire and your Account may be cancelled for non-use."

"Entitlements" are licensed rights granted, awarded, provided and/or purchased by you to access and/or use online or off-line elements or features of EA Services and/or products. Entitlements include but are not limited to paid and free downloadable content, unlockable content, digital and/or virtual assets, rights of use tied to unlock keys or codes, serial codes and/or online authentication of any kind, in-game achievements and virtual or fictional currency not otherwise governed by a Digital Services Agreement."

It has already happened to multiple users, but more importantly, the phrasing exists in the ToS for Origin to do whatever it wants with the consumer's rights to use keys, DLC codes, serial codes, and online authentication. Have you ever heard of Wal-Mart walking into your house and taking your microwave after you fully purchased it? How about Toyota coming to you 24-months after you've fully purchased a car and taking it back because you only kept it in your garage but didn't drive it?

Please don't make the assumption that those phrases made their way into the Terms of Service on accident, like someone didn't know what they were typing.

@wahahabuh Bwahahahahah I can give you reams of Valve customer service Horror stories. Most of my mates here in the U.K. refuse to use any digital service because they have been screwed so often.

@Dunraven Which are extremely uncommon to find and most certainly do not happen under normal circumstances.

@karmamule From what I see on the Origin sit there are no new vanity items.

It's just another outlet for their product which is a good thing.

@(Unverified)

Okay, even worse.