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Posted: Jan 20th 2012 4:29PM fallwind said

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@(Unverified) Anything is possible when you delete the "unsub" button... :)
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Posted: Jan 20th 2012 4:31PM Maseno said

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@Warsyde

Actually with the way you can spin numbers with accounting, they could have buried the costs by allocating it to different things. I.E. if a dev spends 99.9% of their time working on SWTOR and .01% of their time on something else, they could put his costs towards the .01% project instead of SWTOR. Not saying this is what they did, but it wouldn't be hard to believe since I can only assume their investors are shitting their pants right now since the game is really not that good.
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Posted: Jan 20th 2012 5:00PM (Unverified) said

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@fallwind lol - good point.
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Posted: Jan 20th 2012 8:12PM wahahabuh said

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@Warsyde I should point out that the 500 mil figure included the costs of buying Bioware. So it makes sense, 200 mil on the game itself, 300 mil to purchase Bioware.
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Posted: Jan 20th 2012 4:12PM The Grand Nagus said

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200 mil. Wow :0

Posted: Jan 20th 2012 4:38PM pid said

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@The Grand Nagus

Not wow. It's swtor.
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Posted: Jan 20th 2012 4:15PM Sean D said

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I'm baffled at how fickle people are. One day stocks are down, morale is down, the game sucks. The next day stocks are up, the outlook is strong, and subscriber numbers are high. This isn't a bash against Massively or any Massively writers, but rather a larger question regarding human behavior and/or psychology. If we hear two contradicting reports in two days, which is to be trusted? Stock prices are easily verified and not in question, but what are we to understand here about the popularity of the game in general? I'm not interested in predictions. I'm interested in facts. What's the truth?

Posted: Jan 20th 2012 4:16PM Oskari said

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@Sean D

There is no spoon.
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Posted: Jan 20th 2012 4:33PM Amlin said

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@Sean D Facts? There's no entertainment value in "Facts".
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Posted: Jan 20th 2012 4:42PM (Unverified) said

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@Sean D

The problem is that no one knows the truth, other than Bioware, who cannot show weakness. And given their situation, any information other than game updates is weakness. So everyone guesses.
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Posted: Jan 20th 2012 4:45PM Sean D said

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@Amlin

Being entertained is more important than being informed? Is anyone as disappointed as I am that you're probably right?
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Posted: Jan 20th 2012 4:47PM Sean D said

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If all we have is the quality of their game updates to judge them on, although I'd argue we can judge them on other qualities such as their customer service, then Bioware doesn't seem to be measuring up to the expectations place on them.
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Posted: Jan 20th 2012 6:08PM Cyroselle said

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@Sean D They're just relaying what B/W and an investment analyst is saying w/out injecting any opinions of their own.
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Posted: Jan 20th 2012 6:09PM Ghostspeaker said

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@Sean D

Welcome to the stock market.
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Posted: Jan 21st 2012 2:05PM (Unverified) said

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@Sean D That's just the nature of the stock market. Humans try to predict something (TOR is going to tank, TOR will beat WoW), and then the rest of the people try to determine which is right. Facts only help up to a certain point, because the future is notoriously hard to predict. The dire predictions the other day could be seen as a shock, with today's more positive news being a bit of a correction. Stocks do this all the time.
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Posted: Jan 22nd 2012 12:23AM Sean D said

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Understood. It's presents a bit of a contradiction, though, when an analyst's predictions carry enough weight to influence the actual value of a stock. I think it's safe to say that most prospective stock purchasers or current owners are looking for is some sort of insight regarding how well a stock will do in the future. When one analyst says one day that the stock isn't worth the current price, and the next day another analyst says the stock is worth the current price or more, how is any prospective purchaser or current owner to know what to expect? Essentially, predicting stock values is worse than saying nothing. Anyone who is actually listening to any of these analysts is falling into a trap. The market is is manipulated by these inaccurate reports. Hence the 3% fall one day and the 2% gain the next. These reports do not represent facts, but are at best wishful thinking. That is to say, they are reflections of personal bias.
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Posted: Jan 20th 2012 4:15PM (Unverified) said

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That 'other' analyst sounds even more off than the aforementioned.

Posted: Jan 20th 2012 4:15PM thade said

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Count me among the 75% to 90%.

Posted: Jan 20th 2012 4:15PM (Unverified) said

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75% - 90% player retention after first month? Yeah RIGHT. Other than that, the numbers sound somewhat believable

Posted: Jan 20th 2012 4:17PM Clemalum07 said

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But I thought the trolls on here had been spewing out the 500 million number as if it were fact.

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