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Posted: Jan 19th 2012 4:08PM ijoemomma said

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"It's safe to say the past two days haven't been the best"

What am i missing here? All i saw was them put out a patch that had pvp problems. The first major patch to be exact.

I think the judge hammer is swinging a litle hard on a game that just came out.

Posted: Jan 19th 2012 4:14PM edgecrusherO0 said

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@ijoemomma

Well, the game is optimized like shit, the removed the high-res textures despite having them in ALL the promotional material (WoW has higher pixel counts on their armor than SWToR...), launched without AA, numerous bugs (expected, I think people are making this a bigger deal than it is), made Ilum a PvP zone without rewarding PvP in the zone.

Then the patch...destroying PvP on Ilum because they are stupid (imperials outnumber republic by a lot so let's give them incentive to camp all the republic on ilum because of massive faction imbalances!), apparently the game is running WORSE since the patch, random loading screens in fleet and other issues (loot not functioning properly in end game raids, but that was happening before the patch too).

This is definitely not a very smooth launch.
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Posted: Jan 19th 2012 4:15PM (Unverified) said

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@ijoemomma
"game just came out" does not cut it.
SWTOR has to compete with other MMOs now. Not having the same amount of content as 8 year old MMOs is of course fine, missing basic features is not. Being buggy is not. Releasing patches which destroy balance, and reward the zerg faction is not ok, its not excused by it being corrected many hours later after its been ruthlessly exploited, it should have been rolled back immediately.

Now, this upcomming content sounds good, however, I have no faith in BW, I'll wait until its released and been player tested as BW aparantly dont employ competent in house testers, and if it passes muster I will sub up.

I've gone way past giving them the benefit of the doubt.
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Posted: Jan 19th 2012 4:19PM fallwind said

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@ijoemomma see the previous story on EA's stock issues
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Posted: Jan 19th 2012 4:22PM Sylvurdragon said

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@ijoemomma I'm right there with you. I mean seriously, folks...This game has been out for a Month. You can't expect it to be super polished. There WILL be bugs, and there will be additions. As far as I could see, it was fairly smooth - with a few hiccups along the way....

People need to calm down LOL
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Posted: Jan 19th 2012 4:24PM cazicthule said

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@edgecrusherO0

Considering the scope of the entire body of work, this is an astoundingly smooth launch.

Taking all of the content into account, we're seeing what, 0.02% of it is bugged..?

Yeah, terrible launch.

They have said they are going to give the option to use the higher res textures in the near future.

And the game runs smooth as butter for me and everyone I know. The poor performance issues people are having, I'd like to see a live stream of, including task manager of what else is running on their system at the time and frame-rate up and visible while playing, as well as what graphic options they may or may not have enabled in-game and within ati catalyst control or nvidia's panel or nvidia inspector, etc...

Ilum fix is, no enemy players at spawn points. Done and done.

Babies cry, this is a known issue. I have two kids, I know his to be truth.
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Posted: Jan 19th 2012 4:29PM cazicthule said

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@edgecrusherO0

Considering the scope of the entire body of work, this is an astoundingly smooth launch.

Taking all of the content into account, we're seeing what, 0.02% of it is bugged..?

Yeah, terrible launch.

They have said they are going to give the option to use the higher res textures in the near future.

And the game runs smooth as butter for me and everyone I know. The poor performance issues people are having, I'd like to see a live stream of, including task manager of what else is running on their system at the time and frame-rate up and visible while playing, as well as what graphic options they may or may not have enabled in-game and within ati catalyst control or nvidia's panel or nvidia inspector, etc...

Ilum fix is, no enemy players at spawn points. Done and done.

Babies cry, this is a known issue. I have two kids, I know his to be truth.
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Posted: Jan 19th 2012 4:31PM edgecrusherO0 said

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@Sylvurdragon

Serious performance issues and shit poor design decisions (lol Ilum) can't be excused by, "it's new, give it time!". That's just poor programming/optimization and a refusal to learn from the mistakes of others (Blizzard with WG).
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Posted: Jan 19th 2012 4:34PM Concerns said

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For some people, there are now loading screens whenever someone is rendered on your screen. I'm not trolling. This is an MMO. And you get LOADING screens. When OTHER PEOPLE show up.
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Posted: Jan 19th 2012 4:36PM Sorithal said

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@ijoemomma

TOR is overly ambitious and it's kind of obvious that Bioware was probably pushed to get it out by Christmas time. They also rushed out a major content update patch within the first month of the game that just made things worse from the sounds of it.

The first month counts because it shows how well prepared they were for things and how well the developers respond to issues that may arise.

Obviously that's just one stepping stone though. I'd say probably the third/sixth/ninth/twelfth months are also important since it shows if Bioware learns from its mistakes or not. Of course that takes time, so in the meantime it's easy to jump on and criticize the short-term. If you want a good example of what I'm talking about, just look at RIFT since it's in its tenth month now.

Though if the long-term ends up bad as well then, yeah, TOR won't have a lot of hope. I doubt that will be the case though. HOPEFULLY they were able to learn from WAR's problems so that they'll avoid repeating things (like they already have to an extent it seems).
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Posted: Jan 19th 2012 4:40PM Sorithal said

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@cazicthule

Honestly you lose all credibility with your defenses when you resort to calling critics "babies".
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Posted: Jan 19th 2012 4:43PM Lenn said

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@Concerns You're not raising awareness. You're making a molehill into Mount Everest.

They are investigating the whole Valor debacle and have assured that steps will be taken against anyone who took disproportionate advantage of the broken system. You conveniently left that out.

People "started unsubscribing"? You make it sound like a mass exodus. You should have said "the biggest loudmouths on the forum threatened to unsubscribe". As to that button "magically disappearing": it could still have been an unintended side effect of changes made to the website, or simply a bug. It's easy to attribute it to evil intentions, because it just feels so good, but let's not get carried away.
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Posted: Jan 19th 2012 4:49PM Lenn said

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@Concerns The reason why is because you're probably being "pushed" into another instance of the zone. Annoying, most definitely, but not exactly a game-breaking issue. LotRO does the same thing. It's either put up with low fps due to overcrowding, or put up with a loading screen as you're transported to another instance.
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Posted: Jan 19th 2012 4:49PM Borick said

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@Concerns Very well put.

I like the ending of the video where he stresses that this game is for us gamers. He sounds pleading.
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Posted: Jan 19th 2012 4:57PM Concerns said

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@Lenn
Sure, the button may have just disappeared, but then locking threads of people asking for help, and then taking down the forums? Three strikes you're out man, it's time to stop giving Bioware the benefit of the doubt.
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Posted: Jan 19th 2012 5:00PM Concerns said

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@Lenn
Being pushed into another zone? Yeah okay.

I don't care about the reasons. This is crappy design any way you cut it. Stop giving them the benefit of the doubt. The engine is trash and causing more problems than they fix. They need to suck it up and admit it like Square Enix did with FFXIV before their game slowly tanks.
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Posted: Jan 19th 2012 5:20PM Lenn said

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@Concerns The mods over at the forums are extremely overzealous. I have never seen a tighter ship being run than the TOR forums. That is probably the extent of their evilness. Personally, I think it's a good thing. It must be a tough job keeping a cesspit relatively clean.

If people who wanted to cancel (not all who screamed will, though) still can't cancel in the coming days and Bioware keeps giving them the cold shoulder, then you can cry bloody murder.

And I didn't say people are being pushed into another zone. Another *instance* of the zone.
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Posted: Jan 19th 2012 5:31PM Celtar said

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@Sylvurdragon

Keep deluding yourself. They are dropping the ball and dropping it badly. Every situation that crops up they knee jerk and handle with a shoddy customer service blunt hammer.

The email that most of us have gotten to get the founders title is a lure (carrot) to get your to subscribe so they can keep a cash flow going while they attempt to do damage control.

They have years of online game companies to study and how others did things right and how others did things wrong. They keep taking the wrong path with a heavy handedness that just baffles me.

That said, I did resubscribe for three months a couple days ago, it isn't like it costs a lot. I did so in order to watch where they go in the next three months while I wait for Mechwarrior Online, GWII and other up coming titles. Those might not come out in that time period but I always have my LotRO account to fall back on or EQII as a distraction until these games do come out for me to try.

Basically Bioware is dropping the ball, and badly. I am amazed honestly at how bad they keep getting it. The underhanded methods they keep deploying, the bull shit PR crap coming from James Ohlen, or Reid. Two people who really carry no weight for me anymore. Anything they tend to say I discount as crap and not to be taken seriously.

I really dislike joining the doomsayers who keep promoting that this game is going to fail and fail big, but Bioware really apparently "is" going out of its way to insure that it does happen.
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Posted: Jan 19th 2012 5:37PM (Unverified) said

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@Concerns

Founders program was announced two weeks ago, not yesterday.
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Posted: Jan 19th 2012 5:43PM (Unverified) said

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@Celtar

Oftentimes when I dislike a company, I give them money. Like you.

Seriously, folks are going a tad overboard with this stuff. Yes, the Founder title says you have to subscribe or apply a game time code! *Gasp!* *Horror!* The patch broke Ilum pretty badly, but chill out guys. It will be fixed and fixed very shortly. They are learning. Give them time. The only knee-jerk reactions I see are the ones dispensed by internet tough guys. You don't like the game, we get it. Stop giving them money and vote with your wallet.
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