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Posted: Jan 18th 2012 8:06PM Joshua Przygocki said

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"no intention at this time of selling any raid gear in the store."

Just like there was no intention of selling any gear with stats on it in the first place.

Posted: Jan 18th 2012 8:30PM Floop the Squirrel said

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@Joshua Przygocki

"no intention at this time of selling any raid gear in the store."

"no intention at this time"

"at this time..."

... but soon... really soon.
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Posted: Jan 18th 2012 11:38PM jimr9999us said

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@Floop the Squirrel

"at this time"
"at this time"
at this time"

In case folks still missed it. I remain in complete SHOCK at this turn of events at Turbine/WB...and i was a bitter lotro cynic before it started. Unbelievable.
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Posted: Jan 19th 2012 3:53AM smartstep said

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@jimr9999us

I am surprised you're shocked tbh.
Game earn it's revenue on microtransactions. So in order to maintain and increase profits , store has to expand.
What sells best? Not cosmetics and fluff by any way, but advantage.

All f2p games will go this route sooner or later. One f2p / freemium will be like that from beggining, second after 3 months and third after 1 year, but eventually all will do.

Anyway. All people that are STILL naive enough that Turbine will stop and / or reverse direction this game and it's store is taking.

OPEN YOUR EYES - It will not.

That's why I left Lotro over half a year ago.
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Posted: Jan 19th 2012 8:21AM Alph said

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@Joshua Przygocki
I know, right? It's just a matter of time and it's been that way ever since 'freemium' was uttered for the first time by someone's lips in the studio.

"This is us coming up with solutions to problems players are reporting to us."

...and when players start reporting troubles killing raid bosses, is it a solution to sell the gear it drops?

...or when players start reporting that they are having troubles killing PVP vets, is it a 'solution' to start selling high end PVP gear?



They act like they're the good guys giving the players what they want. Funny, I don't remember any of the players asking for F2P back when it was announced.
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Posted: Jan 19th 2012 6:37PM Cyroselle said

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@smartstep I just couldn't deal with all the damn NPCs trying to sell me on the Cash Shop, right there in the game!

Hey there (class)! Y'know, if you /really/ wanted to level faster you could buy this really cool quest line! Just go to the Turbine Cash Shop!'

Ahhhh, why is Gimli the Dwarf ( just using a name) letting me know there's a cash shop in some weird alternate dimension... really immersion breaking.
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Posted: Jan 18th 2012 8:14PM Deadalon said

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Sounds like the "solution" that BLizzard came up with 1% of the entire Diablo population buying items - so they create ingame real money auctionhouse...

Everyone knows this has nothing to do with playerr. This has to do with milking money out of as little as possible. And lets be fair here. The current gamer base are taking it in the backhole ... smiling.

So who do we blame ?

Lets make one thing clear. Its not good for games. Thankfully there are still alot of indy companies and young kids that have potential to do much better than what we are seeing the big corporations doing atm. Cause those corporations no longer care about their games. At all...

Turbine has not released one decent patch since the game went Free to play - and thats a fact. How about starting there instead of asking ppl to pay more for nothing ?

Posted: Jan 19th 2012 1:39AM Samael said

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@Deadalon

We blame ourselves. When F2P revolution hit, everybody jumped on it. Even when there were people saying how this cannot be a good thing for games and gamers, they were ignored and ridiculed. And that is the reason why I stopped playing LoTRO the moment it went F2P.

To be fair, I did support turbines method of doing F2P, giving a sub option. But I really can't say I am surprised at this.
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Posted: Jan 18th 2012 8:17PM edgecrusherO0 said

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Yeah, once you go back on something like that people won't trust you anymore.

I guess they got desperate because revenue dropped?

Posted: Jan 18th 2012 8:17PM Oskari said

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I can sort of see where he's coming from, but at this point, it's more of a perception problem. It looks worse than its effects on the game will be.

I am not against F2P in general, but I do get worried when I see stories like this. Not because the gear will break the game (it won't), but because the lack of gear available for that level is possibly an issue with the crafting system. Instead of overhauling or improving the crafting system to get more people making goods, instead they have an easy fix of selling the gear in the store.

It feels like an easy, lazy way out of solving a more difficult problem. Now, when they have an issue with the game, they could simply sell a band-aid in the store.

Posted: Jan 18th 2012 8:27PM Nickelpat said

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Yeah, like when Blizzard's customers had that huge issue of not being able to buy a $25 pony! Or course Turbine, it makes sense now.

Seriously, the quests in LOTRO aren't too difficult, finding a higher level to give you a hand isn't too hard either. If you really need to buy gear, you probably shouldn't be attempting to play it.

Posted: Jan 18th 2012 8:40PM SwarlesBarkley said

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"no intention at this time of selling any raid gear in the store."

But, but but I want raid gear and I don't raid... I am the customer and I am in need...

You cannot decide when to use the rule and when not to. This is basic parenting 101...

Posted: Jan 18th 2012 8:53PM Sorithal said

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"at this time"

Why do they always have to say that?

Because that's implying there -could- be a time later on when they do that.

Why can't they just say "We'll never do that." and call it done?

Posted: Jan 18th 2012 11:11PM Irem said

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@Sorithal
Because then they couldn't go back and do it later after they see whether or not the playerbase is willing to let them go as far as they have! :V
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Posted: Jan 18th 2012 8:54PM Traptz said

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The only time "Solution" and "Cash Shop" should be in the same sentence is when it says "The SOLUTION to CASH SHOPS is to REMOVE all CASH SHOPS"

Stupid greedy concept. Totally free or Monthly Fee..no in between garbage please.

Posted: Jan 18th 2012 10:08PM theBeast said

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@Traptz You win the Internet.
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Posted: Jan 19th 2012 3:08AM ShivanSwordsman said

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@Traptz

But then how do you pay the workers, or pay for patches and extra content? What should happen is free trial... pay about $20 - $30 to own. Think the Guild Wars method. You get the game, you own it forever, and every time massive content changes come out with extra areas and the like, it comes as an expansion pack.

As it stands, I can understand them giving the EXACT SAME GEAR to people for a price... but if it's better than what you can get in the game, it needs to die. Paying to win is still paying to win. I've championed Turbine ever since F2P came... and now they're doing this. It's soul crushing...
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Posted: Jan 18th 2012 9:01PM Valkesh said

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Oh please, everyone knew this was coming. Everyone feigns ignorance like it won't happen when the cash shop comes. "Oh, they'll be responsible" "F2P for the win!" "It will just be cosmetic! it's ok!"

EVERY. DAMN. TIME you people fall for this shit.

There's a reason I bailed out when WB took over, and didn't look back when it became F2P. I knew they would gut the soul of the game and sell it, and here it is, on display for all to see. Believe the naysayers now?

Posted: Jan 18th 2012 11:16PM Ehra said

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@Valkesh

Guild Wars still hasn't.
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Posted: Jan 19th 2012 10:02AM Danieros said

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@Ehra

Guild Wars is not F2P, it is P2P. Their money comes mostly from game sales not from the cash shop.

That is why I hope Guild Wars 2 "cash shop" won't fall in this cycle of needing more money -> giving more power through the CS to drive more purchases, I might be proven wrong in the future but they have the option of selling DLC/expansions which are one-time content access purchases that all P2P games may use.
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