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Posted: Jan 18th 2012 11:01PM (Unverified) said

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Damn well written article..just wish you would of given an example in City of Heroes!

Posted: Jan 19th 2012 12:13AM Daeths said

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This article just confused me for the most part. It got a bit clear towards the end with the Weak/Strong ans Passion sections... but i still don't get the first 2/3rds

Posted: Jan 19th 2012 1:29AM Space Cobra said

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Great article, but now you've brought up something that made me question at least one of the decisions in DCUO (on DCUOSource.com) when the game was in being developed:

Re: Your discussion about Batman and the Joker and what he truly represents.

It has always bugged me that in DCUO, they've gone for an understandable game mechanic of "origin" types, which are Meta, Tech, and Magic and in DC, you can classify all origins under these. I never felt that that was the correct way to do things. This is especially true that they wanted to "shoehorn" a hero and his adversary into these origin types, so they share the same origin. So, with Superman, who is a "Meta", Luthor would also represent Meta, which is true, because he does genetic research, but really, Luthor is MORE than Meta: He has done Tech research, too. And actually, while he has been known to pump himself full of drugs, even in the game, he uses his "famous" Power-suit, which is more "Tech" than "Meta".

The same can be said of Batman and the Joker. They simplified the concept of "Tech" to equal anyone using a Wooden Club wearing a pot helmet is a Tech user. So, Joker is a Tech user. I'd probably agree more than Luthor, due to his wacky gadgets and flowers, but Joker is not known for Tech and his famous line (from the movies) is that he is jealous of Batman's toys. Meanwhile, Batman, while definitely a Tech user, IMO, is more known for his representation of the "perfect man", so to speak. His focus is that he has developed his mind and body because of tragedy. If you take away Batman's Utility Belt and all his trappings, you still have a very resourceful and dangerous man. But DCUO fairly ignores that descriptor. In fact, anyone who has a Black Belt in DCUO's universe, which can be a normal person, is technically a "Meta", even though I'd put that Batman knows much about the Martial Arts.

Sorry, this is a bit of a rant with DCUO that will never get straigtened. Maybe it's good you may not be doing your "Choose your own Adventure" with DCUO: I could see this aggravating you, too, although the game has other merits away from philosophy such as, if Doctor Doom is a Tech user, why does he use Magic? It's the classic problem of simplifying things, but missing all the details and arguements which make characters unique.

Of course, many people think they got Wonder Woman wrong as Magic's teacher; while her origin is magical and she uses magic props, she isn't too much a teacher of the "Abra-cadabra/Hocus-Pocus" school. They chose her because she is of DC's "Big three" heroes. Some figure Captain Marvel would've been best or especially Doctor Fate. As for her nemesis, I feel Circe was a wrong choice if they were going for "famous names and adversaries". Cheetah's first origin was magical, then her second wasn't, and now it is again (before the game was made). IMHO, if they chose Wonder Woman to be a magical mentor, Cheetah has as much right to fill that role on the same virtues because, both tend to be physical in their fights and not so "Presto-Chango/Zap".

But again, the average player won't complain (although I do see many comic fans scratching their heads and confused even with this simplified system, before they grudgingly accept it).

Anyway, "small" addition, in DCUO terms, of what you said. Great article otherwise.

Posted: Jan 19th 2012 4:11AM Daemodand said

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@Space Cobra Bad game is bad.
"I want to be like Superman!"
"Here's your ice powers!"
"Whaaaaa-?"
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Posted: Jan 19th 2012 5:03AM (Unverified) said

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yeah and the other thing with DCUO is just because I want my characters 'look' to be like one of the heroes doesn't mean I want my whole storyline too revolve around said hero. I had already played through Superman's missions at launch and recently revisited the game and wanted a Green Lantern looking character. As soon as I choose that as an inspiration I automatically have to choose Superman as my mentor?? WTF?? I just wanted the look and wanted too go through a new set of missions so i wasn't bored...needless too say I didn't play my alt.....

Posted: Jan 19th 2012 6:35AM pcgneurotic said

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The first character I made in Neverwinter Nights 2 was the son of my female orc fighter in NWN. He was a big, green, ugly, low-charisma Bard - which is like saying he was a watchmaker who couldn't tell the time, or a tour guide with no sense of direction. I wanted to buck the 'primary stat' convention in D&D by playing a class with the lowest possible primary stat and guess what? He was a complete moron, a dunder-headed, ham-fisted, talentless, clumsy oaf. But boy was he fun to play! :D :D

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