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Posted: Jan 13th 2012 8:58PM Sorithal said

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@Macabre 13

Mostly companies who haven't become sell-outs to the shareholders/larger companies. Y'know, those who care about their fans to where they -won't- toss them aside just to get more money.

Trion Worlds, Inc. is a good example of a company that still cares more about creating an enjoyable experience for gamers. Same with most indie game developers.

Hell, some developers who used to be part of well-known gaming companies have moved into Indie development just so they can avoid becoming like that and can focus on making what they want to make for the enjoyment of others.

But oh well. Honestly? Anyone who knows about Activision and its CEO should've seen this coming a mile away once Blizzard "merged" with them. It was kind of only a matter of time, and it was a bit obvious once Blizzard revealed their plans for splitting Starcraft II's campaign into 3 separate full-priced games that Activision was having a hold on them.
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Posted: Jan 13th 2012 5:12PM (Unverified) said

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It's not gambling at all, and to claim it is displays a lack of understanding of the RMAH.
As an example, Second Life residents have had the ability to convert game currency into real world funds for seven years, and many players have used that ability to create viable incomes, in most cases as a supplement to their regular incomes, and in a few cases as a full time income.
Of course, the difference is that in Second Life we can actually create original items of our own design, while in D3 it will just be a matter of selling items that have dropped, but I still don't see how this amounts to gambling.
For that matter, if it was, American law would prevent it from going forward, just as gambling casinos were removed from Second Life several years ago.

Posted: Jan 13th 2012 6:02PM Deadalon said

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Second life and Diablo 3 are nothing alike. You are not selling items for real money INGAME in Second life. Neither are you trading directly with THIRD PARTY like in Diablo. You SL are always trading ingame currency into real money and ONLY under control of the maker of the game. Never directly changing RL money between you and another player ingame.

Let me explain what gambling means. It means that you are playing with money. And thats exacly what you are doing in Diablo. You get a good drop (jackpot in slots) and you then auction it for X amount having to pay X amount of money upfront for simply putting it in AH. And if your item is sold - you hit the jackpot again - but still loosing part of the money to Paypal and BLizzard.

This is nothing but Gambling and thankfully - Korean games have been dealing with this sort of things for years. Many old games had this Jackpot drop feature and it created addicts - just like slots did. These sorts of game features have been banned in Asia now - for a reason.

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Posted: Jan 13th 2012 7:01PM (Unverified) said

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@Deadalon

Wrong: Gambling implies that you invest MONEY BEFORE a random generator is activated.

In D3 you don't invest in the jack pot machine, the drops by themselves are even free of charge.

In poker you have to invest BEFORE doing the bid. Not in D3.

Go figure how lame your points are.... who simply are based on your Blizzard hate.
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Posted: Jan 13th 2012 7:13PM Deadalon said

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You are claiming that the drops are the only Jackpot. They are not. The real jackpot is the price you are able to sell those items for. That means a great item will be valued very high at start - and might not be sold at that price. But the player who auctioned it still spent money doing that.

You are NOT able to win the money without spending money (even tho BLizzard are claiming ppl will get few free auctions per week). And that my friend IS gambling. You ARE playing with real life money directly.

But go ahead. Convince the Korean Government that they dont know what gambling means. Cause they do know. And BLizzard knows that as well.
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Posted: Jan 13th 2012 8:12PM Space Cobra said

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Also, "Time is Money".

World English Dictionary:

"1. ( intr ) to play games of chance to win money
2. to risk or bet (money) on the outcome of an event, sport, etc
3. to act with the expectation of: to gamble on its being a sunny day
4. ( often foll by away ) to lose by or as if by betting; squander

— n
5. a risky act or venture
6. a bet, wager, or other risk or chance taken for possible monetary gain "

See how "(money)" is used as an example, but it is not the ONLY thing one can bet/gamble with?

4-6 doesn't involve ANY money, you are betting (or gambling) on certain outcomes. Normally, it's not bad, but in this case, you are killing certain monsters over and over for rare drops. Sure, you can GIVE those drops away to friends/strangers, but you do so with the hope/expectation of "getting something" for your time? If all those drops were Normal/Grey, you wouldn't be happy. Since the odds are higher on Blue, Purple, and Gold drops, you keep playing, or "gambling" that you the next drop is Rare.

Again, that is the definition of gambling. What you put in could be time or money, but you are leading people on with a *promise* of getting something worthwhile for your time, otherwise, you shouldn't care if you get a White or Green drop. That should be a non-issue. But the fact is you want Gold and the chances are higher you won't get that. Vegas also changes the rules of probability in it's card games so that it is harder to get the cards you want, even with legal methods, like card-counting.

Friendly game, high stakes, it is defined as gambling.
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Posted: Jan 14th 2012 9:38AM Scullz said

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@Deadalon

It is ammusing to me the amount of ignorancy in here! You guys made me register to this forum!. haha

First,! All of you have point and argumentative stand points which are valid (except a few of you, I dont know why u bother posting), but you are missing the most important part. Person X's argument is no more valid than person Y's (granted both individuals are competent). So not 1 of you will ever be more right than the other.

Meaning, the idiot stating this should be "regulated by a country" or the other idiot stating this isn't gambling or the other idiot stating this is communism/capitalism?! (the one stating communism did have a point, even though he didn't mean to say communism.)

I live in america. Fucking America. For the most part we are free to do whatever we fucking want!!! This is why we are the most sought after place to escape to. We are 'Free' here.

"Oh em gee, Im not a blizzard fan anymore"
"Oh em gee, I am so nto buying this game any more"
"Oh em gee, WHEN R THEY GONNA REGULATE HERE"
"Oh em gee, they should ban this shit in Europe too"

Seriously baddie?!?! And the "blizzard use to have the gamers interests in mind" comments!!! wow this is the most ridiculous shit ever..

More power to the indie brilliant minded fuck who invented a game in which we all bow down to!!! Let him make money off it..And tons of it!! this is america.. AND NO 1 IS FORCING YOU TO PLAY OR SUPPORT THEM. Why so pisst coz they want to make money?... Think OUTSIDE THE BOX... Do you know how many jobs have been created because they think "MONEY"?.. EVERYWHERE... from the asshole writing code to the jackass delivering the copies at you local Gamestore to the guy swetting at the wearhouse moving the shipment boxes.. "oh em gee blizzard is releasing d3 or WoW15 we need everyoen to work overtime"

God forbid we can give extra cash to our families on that day..

Anyways, I'm off a tangent just to make a point which is..

This is america and I am, and would be very upset If my "shit" would be regulated by some ones elses ideals. Ideals from ANY entity like the rating boards etc. ALSO, I would be upset if I was prevented, as a consumer, to partake (weather I agree with it or not because the world does not revolve around me)

If my shit is to be regulated, it better be for a good reason. Like to prevent me from murdering people!!...

If I make a movie with people jumping off bridges, then the idiot who decided to jump is not my responsability and I should not be censored. Same goes to the idiot saying this is gambling...IT doesn't matter even if it actually was... No one is forcing you to do it, do get addicted to it or to waste ur life on it (which is why regulation against it exists.)

THIS IS AMERICA AND UNITED WE STAND...
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Posted: Jan 13th 2012 5:15PM Oranuro said

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News flash, if there were no asians doing the black market trading, there would be no RMT in D3 to begin with!

Posted: Jan 13th 2012 6:09PM avidlurker said

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@Oranuro
Newsflash: if stupid gamers wouldn't try to buy their way through games by spending cash on the black market there would be no traders.
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Posted: Jan 13th 2012 5:34PM Dunraven said

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I honestly think that those who are screaming loudest about RMT are pissed because their shady off the books Trading has come to an end.

Posted: Jan 13th 2012 5:52PM Deadalon said

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I have pointed it out many times before. RMA is gambling. Gambling is banned for kids all over the world. Still Diablo 3 is played through Battlenet that allows games for 12 year olds. This will be challenged in many countries all over the world.

What ppl need to realise now is that Blizzard will push this feature into the game at any cost because they KNOW this is a feature they can manipulate just like is done with slot machines. You create ppl that become addicts to these sorts of thing. And you can claim that ppl are not spending money doing it... when in fact you ARE spending money because it costs money to a) make a new auction b) % of the money goes to BLizzard and Co.

The only reason why DIablo 3 is not out yet is the legal battles that Blizzard is fighting right now to get RMA into the game. That should wake some players up on 1 company has changed in the past 20 years.

Im truely hoping this feature will be chancelled worldwide. There is no ground for making this part of gaming. We want games where ppl can get away from money and enjoy themselfs from every day stress.

Posted: Jan 13th 2012 7:07PM (Unverified) said

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@Deadalon

You are just the next comon kid Blizzard hater.

The RMAH has NOTHING to do with gambling.

Gambling implies MONEY to be given BEFORE a random mechanic decides, if you won.

there is no money involved with each item/ drop. The drops are free.

Even the AH publication fee can be free of charge if you stick to the free charges per week

You just come up with fake definitions and YOU KNOW it .

Typical attitude of a WOW hater (and now D3).
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Posted: Jan 13th 2012 7:26PM Deadalon said

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Why dont you go and Troll Korea if you are so sure it has nothing to do with gambling. Stop acting like 5 year old. Blizzard backed down cause they know they can not push this if a contry uses their anti-gambling laws to stop it. And they will aslo be forced to back down in countries that ban virtual item trading.
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Posted: Jan 13th 2012 5:53PM Resurge said

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i was against it on principle at first, but the more I think about it, the more I dont care. Hell maybe it'll be a good part time job :p I can always use extra cash for selling stuff I got doing what i would have been doing anyway.

The only issue i see is if they make drops so rare/hard to acquire you cant get em yourself through just playing because they want to support the RMT.
...Which is probably exactly what they will do :|

Hmm, I think I talked myself into being against it again.

Posted: Jan 13th 2012 6:04PM Deadalon said

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The real issue here that we need also to talk about is that ppl think they are gonna sit at home making money doing nothing but playing Diablo 3. Are you gonna be paying taxes of that? No... you wont. And then the entire RMAH becomes black market buisness and thats illegal. In any country in the world.

Posted: Jan 13th 2012 6:50PM (Unverified) said

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@Deadalon

So on line poker is unpopular too ??? LAUGHS ...

This RMAH is SO much better than lame developper controlled cash shops ... and the ONLY way out to get subscription free on line games in the future.

Oh I see you are a Blizzard hater... Yep must be hard times these days ....
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Posted: Jan 13th 2012 7:16PM Deadalon said

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You do realise that US government closed down 5 biggest Poker sites and forced them to close their real money gambling last year?. Many poker players lost alot of money because they were not payed the money the owned on their accounts at the time.
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Posted: Jan 13th 2012 6:36PM koehler83 said

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"Interestingly enough this makes South Korea the first country to slap a rating on Diablo III to date."

It's already rated by the ESRB

Posted: Jan 13th 2012 6:44PM Deadalon said

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@koehler83

The Korean version is rated Mature. But Korea was gonna rate the entire battlenet account as Mature - and that included other games like WOW that are rated for 12 year olds.

So basicly - Koreans were changing the rating of WOW to Mature because it was linked with same account system as a RMAH game (Diablo 3).

The same will happen in many countries around the world when ppl start to realise that 12 year old kids are playing on a same account system as ppl that are trading with real money. Its pretty much like gambling site offering kids to play solitare while others were playing poker.

There will eventually be a gaming account raiting in US and EU. Blizzard is just using a loophole to push Diablo 3 through the system. These loopholes have been closed in Asia. Not to mention that Asians actually have the MORALITY to not allow 12 year olds to play on accoutns that trade with real life money.
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Posted: Jan 13th 2012 7:10PM (Unverified) said

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@Deadalon

This post gave you away.

You are just the next common WOW hating kid around the corner...

I bet you're posting 10 posts per day against the number one PC game company gives you a kick isn't it ?

Well go wheep around the corner, because the masses are going to play this RMAH, whether you post or not.

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