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Posted: Jan 12th 2012 8:06AM (Unverified) said

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Related question - do massively writers sometimes troll the readers?

Posted: Jan 12th 2012 9:23AM Maseno said

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They troll us every time they post SWTOR news.
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Posted: Jan 12th 2012 9:24AM Maseno said

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Lol, I think they troll us every time they post SWTOR news.

Remember around launch when 90% of the posts were SWTOR non-news? I am surprised they weren't reporting on the bowel movements of the dev team at that point.
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Posted: Jan 12th 2012 10:18AM Vgk said

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@Maseno This just in, Steven Reid appear to be constipated!
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Posted: Jan 12th 2012 11:25AM Jef Reahard said

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The funny thing is, were we to post that, it would easily be our most popular story of the day. Such is the fan frenzy surrounding that game right now.
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Posted: Jan 12th 2012 4:19PM Vic Fontaine said

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It's a popular game though that a lot of people are interested in.
It wasn't as bad as Joystiq with Skyrim (how anybody honestly believes a game that won't even work on one of the consoles deserves GOTY is beyond me).

Seriously, there were Skyrim recepes for some nasty mush.
http://www.joystiq.com/2011/11/23/joystiq-of-cooking-skyrims-potage-le-magnifique/


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Posted: Jan 12th 2012 8:07AM belgeode said

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All the time LOL...

See ArenaNet's announcements of the "commando" profession for April Fools last year, and "the minstrel" they pulled when they finally unveiled mesmer.

Posted: Jan 12th 2012 9:05AM Ehra said

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April Fools' jokes are defined as "trolling" now? Does the word even mean anything other than "wasn't serious" or "made a joke" anymore?
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Posted: Jan 12th 2012 9:47AM Space Cobra said

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Dude, stop trolling!

;)


(I agree, no one knows. It's become, "Anything that upsets/cofuses me personally is a "Troll" and that can be anything. If someone encounters a plate of strawberries and they hate strawberries. That said plate and said strawberries are obvious "Trolls", but the only one to notice is one person. :/ )
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Posted: Jan 12th 2012 8:14AM (Unverified) said

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I don't think they Troll us, I just don't think they really get us. Devs may have been gamers at one time, and had "gamer cred", but now they are too involved in the business of games to have that. The games take a back seat to the wishes of the corporation. Kind of like when someone you work with gets promoted to a position in a dept. above you...they just can't really relate to the water cooler chat anymore.

That's my take on it anyway.

Posted: Jan 12th 2012 8:59AM Kalex716 said

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This isn't entirely true. Game development is filled with passionate gamers, with unique and cutting edge talents and insights and ideas relating to this industry we all love.

However.... the average developer doesn't get to make the high level decisions on main features either. Directors, and Leads, or even Marketing guys(when it comes to cash shops) get the majority of the pull. All the average guy can try and do is pipe things in design meetings (if they're on the relevant team, if you are an engineer you can't just go to any old design meeting you want to usually) and I'll even dare to say sometimes (depending where you work, and who your boss is) its just as futile as a fan putting something in a "feedback" forum anyway!

My point is, depending on the chemistry of your studio, they don't usually get heard so much.

Something like this looks like the brain child of a marketing guy who came in, showed a bunch of numbers suggesting "wings sell", and it got greenlighted based on this factor alone.
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Posted: Jan 12th 2012 9:28AM Maseno said

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The problem with the disconnect between devs and players is the fault of the management. It is like the disconnect between politicians and the common man. Every politician has their own agenda (or their parties) and they push that until the day they die. Same goes for the management in game companies. They have their own agenda that is pushed down to them from their higher ups.

Somewhere along the line the common gamer is forgotten and things get done to make money and try to appeal to a broader audience.
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Posted: Jan 12th 2012 9:32AM (Unverified) said

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@Kalex716

I see you points, let me define what I think of when I see the word "developer".

It's not the grunt, pounding out code, it's not the artist working all nighters to get something right...those are game employees, the common man/woman.

Devs are the suits developing the game. They make the decisions, and handle the investors interests. Devs are managers, and as such are pretty much out of touch with the worker bees. They may have started out as creative as can be, but that creativity is quickly pushed to the side when a fat bonus is at stake.

With this definition, I think we both feel the same, just a matter of language.
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Posted: Jan 12th 2012 11:32AM SnarlingWolf said

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It isn't about getting us at all. It is about the greed that has come into gaming and the annoying things they have to do to keep up profits in this new F2P culture.

Expect a lot more and a lot worse things than this with microtransactions. They need to have a constant flow of money to keep things going so they will do more and more ridiculous things to keep that flow going, or even increase it. With subscriptions they could focus on the game because they had a steady stream of income. F2P will just continue to ruin everything.
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Posted: Jan 14th 2012 10:55AM kalipou134 said

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Everquest has EVERYTHING

So it was only a matter of time after Aion came out that they'd also have flying angels. They also did it better than Aion, again, proving Everquest 2 is the real king of the MMO market.
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Posted: Jan 12th 2012 8:17AM Matix said

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"In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, WITH THE PRIMARY INTENT OF PROVOKING readers into AN EMOTIONAL RESPONSE or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion. " -from wikipedia's "Troll (Internet)" entry (caps emphasis supplied)

When developers do this, they aren't into provoking an emotional response. It's all about the money. The devs don't care what anyone thinks.

Posted: Jan 12th 2012 9:20AM Jenks said

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@Matix

Yeah, this isn't trolling. Just because you don't like what they're doing doesn't mean they're doing it to piss you off.
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Posted: Jan 12th 2012 9:38AM Jef Reahard said

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@Matix

The issue isn't making money, of course everyone knows they need to introduce new items to do that.

What's next, though, Formula 1 race cars for your Froglok and lightsaber weapon skins? How hard is it to take ten minutes and come up with something that might actually make sense within the context of the fantasy world you've created?
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Posted: Jan 12th 2012 10:58AM Matix said

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And I agree with that. In many ways disregarding the community like this is worse than merely negatively engaging it because it's a signal that the devs just don't care.
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Posted: Jan 12th 2012 11:27AM Jef Reahard said

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Yeah, it's too bad.

It's still one of my favorite MMOs, but I just don't get their thought process at all on stuff like this.

/shrug
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