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Posted: Jan 7th 2012 8:09AM Dumac said

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Only when there is the possibility of large scale damage being done, for instance item duping causing damage to player economy that would require server rollbacks. For exploits that can be contained, i don't think it should be a big deal, so what if someone is leveling faster in a PvP match... Yeah it's an inconvenience for players, but should not be a bannable offense. It's a game, relax a little, let people have their fun while the developers fix the issue, don't transfer responsibility onto them.

Posted: Jan 7th 2012 8:22AM (Unverified) said

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At what point does it cross your mind to check how mobs react to emotes, some little thing add in for a bit of social flair. Some things fall through the cracks because there are never enough people testing, most people don't want to lose time invested.

Posted: Jan 7th 2012 8:30AM hereafter said

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Depends on the loophole, but I'd say it's bannable if you've done it multiple times without reporting it. Anyone repeatedly abusing a broken game feature to gain a sizable reward should recieve some kind of punishment, even if it's just a small suspension and a confiscation.

Personally, I say make examples of them, but that can lead to bad press. Clearly even FAKE ban complaints can cause bad press, as we've seen this week, so I can only imagine the backlash a bunch of bans to set an example would cause.

Posted: Jan 7th 2012 9:51AM Zeddakis said

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@hereafter

Why ban them? They are paying the company to play their game and if they made design mistakes that is on the company to find and fix. It's just a game after...it is just a game to you right?
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Posted: Jan 7th 2012 10:17AM (Unverified) said

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@Zeddakis
Games aren't just mindless fun. Part of the fun is fair competition and integrity. That goes down the drain when people exploit. Cheating is cheating, in a game or otherwise it is still damaging and ruins the fun for others. You do know how to play nice with others, right?
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Posted: Jan 7th 2012 10:22AM Zeddakis said

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Why transfer the responsibility onto the people who pay to play the game. It needs to on the people who get paid to make it.

Why do I need to be a mind reader to play a game and ask myself "now did they intend for me to be able to do that or did they just do a bad job there on the programming?"
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Posted: Jan 7th 2012 10:40AM (Unverified) said

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@Zeddakis
Do you really need someone to tell you what you are doing is wrong? Are you that clueless as to basic rules and fair play? Maybe you need to go back to kindergarten and go watch kids play at a playground. It really is that basic. If you are getting something for little to no effort you should probably question why. A lot of exploits that have been in the news lately are blatant exploits. Dancing to stop an enemy from attacking? Doing contrived group shuffling to get tons of loot from raids when it was stated explicitly that you would only be allowed to get loot from a boss once per week?
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Posted: Jan 7th 2012 11:05AM Zeddakis said

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Take a deep breath and clam down. Repeat after me...It is just a game, only a game.

Now I never said, I did any of these things. I just said I don't think anyone should be banned for them.
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Posted: Jan 7th 2012 11:20AM (Unverified) said

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@Zeddakis
Just because it's a game doesn't mean it's ok to cheat. Just because you can do something doesn't make it ok to do it. Just because you can post doesn't mean you should troll.
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Posted: Jan 7th 2012 12:55PM Mightylawngn0me said

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@Zeddakis

People always try to duck responsibility by claiming they aren't a mind reader. It's a shallow excuse at best to claim ingnorance in such matters.

If you've gone through half the leveling content of an MMO and have somewhere around 40k gold, then find that double clicking your avatars head as you sell a stack of trash listed at 2 silver a piece and you get 500k gold, you know full well and good it's a mistake. Now that in itself shouldn't be bannable, even after repeating it two or three times to find out that it's reproduceable. The bannable offense comes in the exploitation of the bug.

The same rules apply in real life, I'm not sure why people think it's suddenly void in a game played cooperatively and competitively by thousands of players. Anonymity should not change the integrity of the individual.

Look at it from a parenting perspective; the reason children are taught to discern right and wrong, and the use of proper judgement is because it's an impossibility to account for every possible variation of lifes experiences.

The enitre thought process behind blaming the devs for the exploitation of bugs is a major reason I've become ashamed to be recognized as a gamer as I've aged. There's simply no way a team of 100 people can deal with millions of lines of code and hundreds of thousands people ,if not more, using it in possibly billions of combinations, and have there be zero game breaking or damaging exploits. Yet people have the audacity to complain that games aren't in depth(read complicated) enough, take too long, break too easily, me, me, me, me. If a studios game box sprouted legs, walked on water and stumbled a bit people would complain.
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Posted: Jan 7th 2012 2:57PM Alex Oglitchkin said

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@Zeddakis Sorry many people don't play MMOs as just a game. It's competitive in there. Maybe in your F2P land it's just a game but in AAA titles it's got a great chunk of people versious serious about even the smallest exploit. Look at WoW when guilds get world firsts... the first thing anyone ever says is which exploit did they abuse that the usual top guild didn't do.
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Posted: Jan 7th 2012 3:12PM Zeddakis said

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@Alex Oglitchkin

"Sorry many people don't play MMOs as just a game."

Many people do things in life, because they have lost touch with reality. Doesn't change anything in reality or change the fact this is just a game.
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Posted: Jan 7th 2012 3:50PM dudemanjac said

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@Zeddakis And the fact that is is a game does not change the reality that it is wrong and cheating.
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Posted: Jan 7th 2012 4:36PM (Unverified) said

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@Zeddakis
That's right, reply to the person who is obviously argumentative on the other side of the fence, as opposed to the well-spoken, intelligent response prior.

You also seem to think that "losing touch with reality" and "immersion" are the same thing. Most people play these games in order to get lost in them. When someone doesn't immerse themselves, and chooses instead to exploit the game for fun, that being the kind of fun bullies have picking on smaller, weaker children, they probably deserve a time-out.
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Posted: Jan 7th 2012 5:17PM (Unverified) said

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@Mightylawngn0me : unfortunately a lot of MMO players are children who were never taught to discern right and wrong.

Seems that a lot of Massively readers are too, sadly, based on how badly one of the unverifieds above got downrated just for telling people to observe basic rules and fair play.
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Posted: Jan 7th 2012 6:37PM Zeddakis said

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"unfortunately a lot of MMO players are children"

Children shouldn't be playing this game it is rated T for Teens.
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Posted: Jan 7th 2012 6:52PM dudemanjac said

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@Zeddakis Teens are still children. Bigger, smellier children.
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Posted: Jan 7th 2012 7:00PM Zeddakis said

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@dudemanjac

Good point. I saw several of these types of Teens today when I slipped out to pick something up. Sad thing was I got stuck behind one coming home and found out they live just a couple houses down from me. :(
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Posted: Jan 7th 2012 11:09PM hereafter said

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@Zeddakis

Obviously it's the company's job to fix these things. But a player that abuses a bug to gain rewards in game that they shouldn't be able to get, then there should be some kind of action taken against them. Maybe a slap on the wrist is enough, but sometimes it requires more.

For instance, there's apparently some kind of speed exploit in Huttball that can be taken advantage of to score multiple times with near impunity. There's a video of it on YouTube (though I don't have the link on hand). Now I have never seen this happen in person, it's never happened to me, but obviously the people using it over and over to score unfair wins should be banned, right? Yes BioWare will have to investigate the issue and fix it, but that doesn't excuse those players breaking the Terms of Service.
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Posted: Jan 9th 2012 10:49AM SnarlingWolf said

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@Zeddakis

You're ridiculous and so is the article, if it can be called that. If you want the blame to be on the developer because people don't have common sense.

If you want it to be on the developer then guess what, you are going to have to wait at least 2 years for every expansion so they can do a year of exhausting testing on everything possible and repeat that testing everytime they tweak something. Or you can be a normal human being, not cheat, and not try to say it isn't your fault you cheat.

Cheaters are pathetic.
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