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Posted: Jan 2nd 2012 5:04PM (Unverified) said

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Are there any real objectives on that planet?
Can this PvP world be improve or is it a mistake?

Posted: Jan 2nd 2012 5:24PM (Unverified) said

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So, the one-line summary would be that they copied WoW's battleground model without taking into account the problematic player behaviour that we all saw exhibited in those battlegrounds?

Posted: Jan 2nd 2012 5:27PM (Unverified) said

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Uh, it's not a battleground, it's an open zone. Think Wintergrasp.
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Posted: Jan 2nd 2012 5:28PM Ashane said

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Nah, this has nothing to do with battlegrounds.

A better one liner would be:

Bioware copied WAR's ORvR lakes with the same "circle jerk round we go" method of capping objectives, thus making killing players actually prevent progress.
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Posted: Jan 2nd 2012 5:45PM (Unverified) said

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@Ashane : cool, thanks for clarifying.

It backs up my long-held theory that when you're building a game of character advancement, tying rewards to PvP objectives is something that you have to be very VERY careful about. We've all seen way too many examples of those rewards ruining the gameplay (encouraging people to play to lose, encouraging people to avoid PvP in a PvP zone, etc.)

Not saying its impossible, but it's HARD, and you can't do it without very carefully considering what will happen when your system meets a playerbase that don't care about anything other than getting their character rewarded as efficiently as possible.
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Posted: Jan 3rd 2012 4:45AM Nathanyel said

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@(Unverified) As past MMOs have shown us, the only actually working incentive of "PvP" is "to annoy other players and make their game harder and more tedious, even if it means no gain for me"
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Posted: Jan 2nd 2012 5:24PM Sorithal said

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It'll be hilarious if people actually complain to Bioware about that. Considering they'd basically be complaining that they were caught in exploiting that zone's system.

Posted: Jan 2nd 2012 6:29PM dudes said

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@Sorithal But paying to be banned with real money as a subscription. The irony is double.
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Posted: Jan 2nd 2012 5:30PM Nickelpat said

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.... They can ban for twinks? Thank the heavens. I'm going to buy my three month sub now.

Posted: Jan 2nd 2012 5:32PM DeadlyAccurate said

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Based on their rules of conduct, it sounds as if bank/auction house alts aren't even allowed. Did I read that incorrectly?

Posted: Jan 2nd 2012 6:12PM Irem said

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No, you didn't. I don't know all the details, but I've seen posts and screenshots from people who had action taken against their accounts for things like storing gear/credits on low level characters. It seems like an attempt to nip third-party RMT in the bud, but it's catching legit alts too. Mules are apparently not allowed.
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Posted: Jan 3rd 2012 12:55PM Cyroselle said

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@DeadlyAccurate Wow, good eye...

What the hell BW??? So are they shooting for the most alt-unfriendly P2P MMO on the market? Here I thought alts were kind of painful Rift, guess I've been spoiled up till now!
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Posted: Jan 2nd 2012 5:35PM geololj said

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How is something considered as exploit in the first place, when the game lets you do it? They didn't clarify if the system was bugged. They just tell you that you are not allowed to.

Where is the spirit of the dark side? How can you be a dark side player, when you are told not to do things? Story-mode failed. Game failed.

Posted: Jan 2nd 2012 6:29PM Nickelpat said

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@geololj Making an alt, capturing a point, going on your main and recapturing it to gain points, isn't really a game mechanic though...
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Posted: Jan 2nd 2012 7:02PM Miffy said

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@Nickelpat

Yeh it is, if they didn't want you to do it they wouldn't allow you to have two factions on the same server or at least give a faction switch limit.
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Posted: Jan 2nd 2012 7:27PM nathanb said

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@Miffy
Agreed

either implement a time limit before switching factions on the same server or implement server transfers and prevent play ability of both factions on the same server. I was surprised that Bioware allowed playing both factions on the same server from the start as other games have learned from their mistakes and implemented mechanics to prevent this.

Oh well... I'll wait for Dominus for my space themed PvP.
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Posted: Jan 2nd 2012 9:08PM Sorithal said

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@geololj

So... basically, here's how it played out, according to your argument:

Bioware: "Don't do this thing."

Exploiter: "Why?"

Bioware: "Because we said so."

Exploiter: "Okay. I'm going to do it anyway because you won't tell me why."

Bioware: "Okay, have a nice day seeing as how we're giving you a temporary suspension from the game."

Exploiter: "Wtf? You didn't explain further! And it was in the game, so why was that wrong?! Whatever happened to doing Dark Side stuff?!"

The "it's a mechanic in the game" argument for justifying exploits is and has always been silly.and poor.
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Posted: Jan 3rd 2012 1:55AM ShivanSwordsman said

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@Sorithal

Then the most obvious choice is to fix the exploit, rather than banning people for catching on to one of their screw ups. The "Don't do it cause we said so" line is a little boring, especially since what they're attempting to do is cover up one of their own follies.

What I don't see is why they don't capitalize on this? I mean, for all intents and purposes, Dark Siders are all about getting power by whatever means necessary. Why don't they penalize them another way? If they want to be Dark Siders, fine. What's one of the biggest motifs about the Dark Side? Betrayal. Lots and lots of betrayal. In this case, they should flag the account as hostile to everyone on the server, save for NPCs, and let the players have at them.

Then again, that system would be fun and inventive, rather than just banning in hopes they buy another game and more monthly sub time, all for the sake of MONAAAAAAAAY. Sigh. Hopefully they'll pick up on this, or fix it, rather than just SAY not to do it and expect everyone not to do it.
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Posted: Jan 3rd 2012 2:05AM MMOEating said

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@Sorithal
Kneel down infront of your new gods.
They decide for you what "fair" is.
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Posted: Jan 3rd 2012 2:06AM Miffy said

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@Sorithal

It is like banning people for riding the MAV in BF3 to get to places on the map they weren't meant to. You cannot ban them, players will find any way to get an advantage in a game and as long as it is all built into the game it is up to the developers to fix it.
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