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Posted: Dec 31st 2011 7:47AM Kitanishi said

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@Space Cobra

Thats a lip service.

SONY as presence has withdrawn, but multiple branches of SONY are STILL in it(for example music industry branch) not to mention ESA is STILL in it.

The current support-withdrawing level of sony is as efficient as McDonalds going green by repainting its buildings green...
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Posted: Dec 30th 2011 7:04PM Sean D said

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Meldodramatic drivel. If Anonymous is serious about this, or about anything they purport to be serious about, they'll go about affecting change in ways that are open to public discussion and not harmful to everyday people - innocent bystanders, if you will. They bulldoze thier often immature and misinformed views onto us, rather than presenting them for healthy debate. They think they're actors in some king of "Hackers" movie.

Posted: Dec 30th 2011 7:12PM Pointdot said

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pls stop, US never was a Democracy ... Federation! y
Q: "— democracy and republic — stems from the fact that many people consider them to be synonyms, which they aren’t. They are no more alike than an apple and a banana, and yet they are often used interchangeably."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-difference-between-a-republic-and-a-democracy.htm
see the difference.

Posted: Dec 30th 2011 7:23PM Lenn said

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@Pointdot "stems from the fact that many people consider them to be synonyms"

Including the government itself. I know you're right, technically speaking, but there's no denying that the US government sees itself as a democracy-bringing force of good in other parts of the world.

Either way, the point is: your government gets elected by its people. If you don't like what your elected officials are doing, make sure they know or "unelect" them.
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Posted: Dec 30th 2011 7:35PM Deliverator said

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@Lenn
"there's no denying that the US government sees itself as a democracy-bringing force of good in other parts of the world."

I disagree. This is the image they try to project, but they know full well that the Middle East is about oil and every where else we're active in it's about protecting some asshole's investment.
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Posted: Dec 30th 2011 7:45PM Lenn said

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@Deliverator But they do so under the guise of "we're a democracy and we want you to be one too!" and not "we're a constitutional republic and we want you to be one too!"

But as I said, the technicalities of it aren't the point. The point is that, either way, your government is elected by its people (directly or indirectly isn't important). The People hold the power to change that, and they should be able to do so without resorting to hiding behind a Guy Fawkes mask thinking they're Internet Batman or something.
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Posted: Dec 30th 2011 8:08PM Deliverator said

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@Lenn
So you just got back from abolishing the electoral college and reforming campaign finance then?

" The government itself, which is only the mode which the people have chosen to execute their will, is equally liable to be abused and perverted before the people can act through it. " Thoreau
On the duty of Civil Disobedience
http://www.constitution.org/civ/civildis.htm
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Posted: Dec 30th 2011 8:15PM Skyydragonn said

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@Lenn
The problem isn't that the government is (directly) screwing the people, its the governments lack of backbone and knowledge of the subject matter that will ultimately screw the internet for everyone.


As to the poster you tyourself replied to.
@ Did not the American revolution start off under similar pretense, did we blindly go attacking english soldiers? No we attacked and destroyed private property held by the individuals who owned the trade ships that were ransacked during the Bost tea party. (paraphrasing of history BTW)

No one decided one day it was a good idea to start off soldiers, but took to civil disabedience to show the level of thier displeasure.
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Posted: Dec 30th 2011 8:40PM Sorithal said

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@Pointdot

The US started off as a Confederacy and shortly afterwards was changed to what I'd think of as a Democratic Republic. Aka it takes elements from both.
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Posted: Jan 1st 2012 3:00AM (Unverified) said

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@Lenn

TL;DR: Given the choice between ruling a corrupt and failing empire, or challenging the system for a new chance, the majority of humanity will take the corrupt and failing empire, because they seek the comfort of what they know over what they don't. Removing an incumbent from office is a great thing to say, but trying to organize the groundswell for it is -really hard- (I've tried).

./dissertation ON

The problem, Lenn, lies in more than just "elect new officials into office".

It is the result of an electorate unwilling or unable to educate itself in the majority, relying instead on mass produced, rating (and thereby, profit) driven news media, who have their own interests at heart, not that of the public. For their part, the electorate puts little effort into looking beneath the surface of what is presented as "truth", instead taking the easy path of believing these people who speak to them every night have no agenda or bias, due to their own complacency, willful ignorance, or outright apathy. "If it bleeds, it leads" - Attributed to Joel Cheatwood, Executive VP, Mercury Radio Arts

It is the result of corporations who, through no fault of their own, seek massive profits over the well being of the electorate. Corporations exists to drive profits. They are not social moors, to be looked up to as angels of mercy or benevolent god figures. They have only one goal, to turn a profit, and any good deeds done are for the most part a happy accident at best, or a contrivance at worst. "Greed is Good." - Gordon Gekko

It is the result of human nature. People in power, or who have wealth, seek to gain more of either for its own sake. To do so, they will act not in the best interests of their electorate, but of themselves, if they feel it is conenient, and they can exploit the above two points. They surround themselves with PR specialists, who whitewash, bury, and misdirect those who would know the truth about the bad, while shining the good as brightly as possible, in hopes of blinding the electorate. Inevitably, these people become so insulated that this can no longer be done, they are driven from office, and the cycle begins anew. "You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain." - Harvey Dent, "The Dark Knight"

SOPA and PROTECTIP are the death throes of industries with archaic business models who refuse to adapt in a rapidly changing world. They would rather watch Rome burrn, than try to stop the destruction, taking a few more bars of gold with them to the grave.

Anonymous is the calamitous voice of a rapidly growing generation who feels, with some justice, that they are largely ignored as people, but valued as a commodities. They are the faceless, nameless mass of humanity, flailing about and lashing out at the things which sting them, the proverbial million souls screaming out at once, but never going truly silent.

Inevitably, much like this comment, none of it will matter in the long run. Congress (regardless of House or Senate) passes laws that have but one goal: To ensure its continued existance. At its base, that's the idea of every law that gets passed: to ensure the system perpetuates itself. The American Electorate is the proverbial house divided: We cannot stand, because there are so many opinions, and thus we fall.
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Posted: Dec 30th 2011 7:26PM ElfLove said

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It's not Sony that will suffer...it's the customers and their personal information.

...again. >_<

Posted: Dec 30th 2011 7:38PM Deliverator said

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@ElfLove
This got me thinking - why do they have all this info in the first place. Wouldn't it make more sense if we gave OUR bank Sony's number so that once a month our bank sends them $$ rather than giving Sony all of our info so they can take money out every month?
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Posted: Dec 31st 2011 12:54PM ElfLove said

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@Deliverator

Oh believe me, the Trion hack had me thinking the same thing.

However I just hope that the customers, are spared any real wrath, this time around.

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Posted: Dec 30th 2011 7:59PM Faction 3 said

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Personally, I think this video is a ploy. Probably just made by some High schoolers with waaaay to much time on their hands and their EQ2 Necromancers were nerfed of something.

If you expect to be taken seriously, dont declare war on pop-stars with no talent...it will solve nothing. They don't need ANYTHING to be successful except idiots buying their shit music.

Posted: Dec 30th 2011 11:28PM Cyroselle said

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@Faction 3 IMO these Anonymous Speaks videos usually have little to do with the driving individuals within the swirling cacophonous maelstrom of Anonymous.
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Posted: Dec 30th 2011 8:20PM Graill440 said

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mmmm. The new security coming out in a few years will stop these worthless little dregs in their tracks. Being Robin Hood is a good thing, i am all for it, its when the agenda changes to "what they want" and how they harm the average citizen, regardless of country.

These little dregs lost any cred they had when they violated average citizens privacy under the guise of whatever flag they happent o be waving at the time.

You either support yourself or the people, these little dregs do not support the people, only their own selfish ideals to try and garner publicity. Fail.

Posted: Dec 30th 2011 8:52PM Deliverator said

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@Graill440
"their own selfish ideals to try and garner publicity."
It's a bunch of people that operate anonymously under the moniker Anonymous.
They're attacking to help stop the creation of a law.
The only reason this could possibly be not for you is if you support SOPA.
fail.
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Posted: Dec 31st 2011 12:40PM ElfLove said

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@Deliverator

By attacking the customers? How does that help them?

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Posted: Dec 30th 2011 8:25PM Sorithal said

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SOPA is one of those things where it probably has good intentions behind it (stopping online piracy, as the name indicates), but... obviously Congress has to fill it with a ton of shit that throws regulations up our arse and overall will kill freedom over the 'net. And I'm guessing the companies that hop on board with the bill would get extra money/benefits out of it.

Posted: Dec 30th 2011 8:28PM Sorithal said

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@Sorithal

However, hacker groups threatening to screw with supporters of that bill are... really just going to get the government even more fuel for their "we need to regulate the Internet!" junk. That basically gives the message that "if you screw with the Internet, we'll screw you over".
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