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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 6:27PM (Unverified) said

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@Deliverator I don't agree with everything you wrote, but I believe this to be one of the better summations of the issue I've read thus far.
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Posted: Dec 30th 2011 5:03PM slash beast said

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go get'em anon

Posted: Dec 30th 2011 5:10PM mrjackoats said

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Even though i agree that Sony should not be supporting this bill, this kind of response, and pretty much everything Anon/hacktivist groups has done, for all intents and purposes, is a criminal act. And these hacking attacks have had more effects on Sony's customers than on the company itself.

Posted: Dec 30th 2011 6:26PM Deliverator said

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@mrjackoats
We lost like a month and a half of access to Everquest. Sony lost approx. $170 million.
Furthermore, I have never seen evidence that credit card information was taken except for from Sony nor have I a read a story about someone suffering from identity theft because of that hack. One admittedly conspiratorial idea is.. well, what better way to get international authorities involved then to say financial information was stolen?
So why would Sony risk the PR nightmare of saying credit cards were taken? Well, it happens to major banks every day and credit card protection isn't their main product. Their network being down made it painfully obvious that their DRM is tied completely to their network. Half our single player PS3 games wouldn't even work. Even though Netflix and Hulu weren't hacked we couldn't use them either. Loss of network connectivity basically bricked the PS3.

Which would have more of a long term impact on the company?
Loss of financial data which happens all the time to the best of the best...
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Having the consumer realize - hey, Sony's network is a giant cobbled together knot of twine that it takes them a month an a half to put back together. Everything I 'buy' from them, network enabled or not, is completely dependent on their network and they stink at networking.
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Posted: Dec 30th 2011 5:15PM JuliusSeizure said

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'The secretive organization of hackers known as Anonymous'
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'organization of hackers known as Anonymous'
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'organization ... Anonymous'

C'mon. Really Justin? Anonymous is an ideology, not any kind of organisation. Anyone can claim to be Anonymous, so long as they believe in protecting online freedoms and privacy.

In fact, I am Anonymous. I have absolutely nothing to do with this or any other hacking incidents or threats thereof, but I'm not overtly revealing my RL identity and I believe in the ideals of Anonymous. See?

Posted: Dec 30th 2011 5:49PM Irem said

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Hell, a good part of Anonymous doesn't even agree with what this particular arm of Anonymous is doing, and thinks using the name to further an agenda as though they're speaking for the whole is antithetical to the entire concept (even if they agree with the agenda in question). Some believe it's their responsibility to fight things that they see as threats, while some have no interest in any kind of ideal and just sort of sink into the mass unattributable idea collective. They're about as organized as a room full of wet cats.
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Posted: Dec 30th 2011 5:55PM Lenn said

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@JuliusSeizure "Anyone can claim to be Anonymous"

Including those who hack for their own pleasure. For the "lulz". Don't white-knight them.
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Posted: Dec 30th 2011 6:02PM JuliusSeizure said

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@Lenn

Way to miss my point entirely. I do not in any way endorse the douchebags of Anonymous. I'm saying it's ridiculous to tar everyone with the same brush, beyond being people who support internet freedoms and haven't divulged their RL identities in the process.
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Posted: Dec 30th 2011 6:06PM JuliusSeizure said

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@JuliusSeizure

Not even 'support'. 'Appreciate internet freedoms' is more explicitly accurate. It's just ridiculous how wide an array of people Anonymous is, so claiming there's any kind of organisation to it is just as ridiculous.
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Posted: Dec 30th 2011 6:06PM Space Cobra said

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@JuliusSeizure

It's true what Irem and Lenn says.

I mean, if you really think about it, they are a loose group of individuals and as such, they have different goals. Some are noble. Others are more selfish. Anonymous isn't a group as much as it is a collective of different individuals all over the world that have different idealogies. Some among them agree on some things and others don't.

That is why you had Lulz-Sec do their own thing. They were discontent over what they perceived as Anon's lack of action, but even among them, they didn't seem to have any strong agenda or agreement other than knocking down sites "for the lulz".
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Posted: Dec 30th 2011 6:27PM Lenn said

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@JuliusSeizure Whether it's one big organized group or just a collection of smaller indepent groups, or even just individuals, doesn't matter. They're calling themselves Anonymous. With a capital A. They've given themselves a name, and they will, for all intents and purposes, be regarded as one organization by the man in the street.

And, more importantly, by law enforcement organizations.
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Posted: Dec 30th 2011 6:38PM Deliverator said

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Yeah, I chuckled a little too. Normal organizations would, well, organize *before* releasing something like this. This is actually the 'call to arms' itself - when anyone 'Anonymous' sees this they go searching on 4chan or Reddit or wherever info and ideas are being discussed. They pick up ideas and tools based on their personal skill level (and daring I suppose) and do what they can. The funny thing is, the more Sony and the media fret and complain, the louder this call to arms becomes and the larger Anonymous grows.

Personally, mostly what I see Anonymous accomplishing is putting away animal abusers, capturing pedophiles and finding lost kids and I really have no problem with that. I have no problem with them exposing Scientology and I'm happy that there's a ghostly entity around protecting our rights even though half of us don't realize it.

There's so much more at stake here than access to Everquest.
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Posted: Dec 31st 2011 12:29AM Cyroselle said

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@JuliusSeizure Heck, there's actually a large chunk (blob?) of Anonymous that aren't hackers or scripts kiddies, hence tools like LOIC... and on that note, they aren't all young people either... or tech-sector, blue-collar, white-collar, social, anti-social, etc.

The Internet is the true mixing-pot and the makeup of Anonymous reflects that well.
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Posted: Dec 30th 2011 5:42PM SgtBaker1234556 said

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Ah, is this like all those times they've said they'd sink Facebook?
Still waiting for that. Good luck with Sony.

Posted: Dec 31st 2011 12:31AM Cyroselle said

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@SgtBaker1234556

Ironically SOPA may likely sink Facebook. LOL.
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Posted: Dec 30th 2011 5:48PM Saker said

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The "system" is such a abomination currently -Anonymous- is needed, I wish there were more such groups frankly. These big companies need being taken down a few rungs. Who else will/can do it?

Posted: Dec 30th 2011 5:58PM Lenn said

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@Saker I'd like to see them try and take on governments. But I fear they may be somewhat lacking in the intestinal department.
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Posted: Dec 30th 2011 6:09PM Space Cobra said

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@Lenn

They've gone after a few government sites before, bringing them down. But these tend to be smaller governments. Although, I do think they did something to a Chinese government site (or branch of) that was successful.

Nothing against US sites afaik, unless you count state websites (that are not Federally run, and I think that was Lulz-Sec).
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Posted: Dec 30th 2011 6:22PM Lenn said

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@Saker "Who else will/can do it?"

You? The People? That's what the political system is for. As for companies, voting works for them as well. With your wallet. Take some responsibility, rather than leaving it to a rag tag group of script kiddies and hackers.

I thought the US was a democracy? That's what they're telling the rest of the world at every opportune moment (and a few less opportune moments as well).
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Posted: Dec 30th 2011 8:10PM Skyydragonn said

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@Lenn
the problem with that ideology (and it is nothing more than that these days0 is that humans have grown too complacent and accepting of being taken advantage of by large corporations and governments. We are given very little actual recourse for voicing our dissent when a company does something we dislike, becuase by and large the majority will continue to use a service despite the fact that they hate the company providing the service. Look at Microsofts history with Windows for exmaple millions of people despite Microsofts business practices and almost every one of them (I guarantee) uses Windows based PCs.

The consitution Grants its citizens the right to rise up and bear arms against thier government, should the government become non functional etc. At what point do you begin to differentiate betwen corporation and government, when we ALL know the corporations control politics and the government? Given that we cannot "rebel" against a corporation in a traditional manner, I see little recourse but to resort to civil disobedience and unrest.
I've sent letters to my congressmen, and various state representatives urging them to NOT support SOPA or similar bills, but when your faced with the voice of one (or even millions of voters) vs, millions of dollars not just for yourself, but your states education programs, taxes from new corporate offices in your state, new manufacturing, tech support locations and so on. The decision doesn't seem to black and white anymore.
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