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Posted: Dec 27th 2011 12:43PM Jef Reahard said

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I did forget about the dialogue/cutscene at the end of Esseles, you're right about that. I haven't done any of the others as of yet. That said, it's not unreasonable to think that future flashpoints could have these elements scaled down to save development time/money.

Who knows, really. It's just my speculation, and not really worth all the fanboy angst in the comments thus far.
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Posted: Dec 27th 2011 12:58PM Unshra said

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@Jef Reahard Writing a "Soapbox" article is justifcation enough for "fanboy angst". Just as the Soapbox warns "OMG opinion dont read if you cant take it" there should also be a disclaimer to anyone writing as Soapbox that says "OMG if you share your opinion prepare to have others attack it." ;-)
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Posted: Dec 27th 2011 12:58PM rhorle said

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@Jef Reahard

If they are fanbois for speaking against your "speculation" then you are merely a paid troll. Just because this is an opinion editorial doesn't mean you have the right to troll everyone and act like a douche when comments you words you knew would incite actually do incite readers.
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Posted: Dec 27th 2011 1:18PM Jef Reahard said

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Oh I'm prepared, I've written plenty of these things, lol. The anger never ceases to amaze when it comes to TOR, though. I've never seen anything quite like the fan devotion to this game.
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Posted: Dec 27th 2011 1:31PM Celtar said

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@rhorle

Honestly I dont see Jef trolling and his responses to many quite insulting flames directed at him have been pretty reasonable. It has given caused me to increase my respect for Jef for having control in his responses.

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Posted: Dec 27th 2011 1:36PM valdi313 said

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@Jef Reahard
It would be nice to see construction discussion in this thread.
Why not respond to one of the posts that attempts to spur discussion rather than a flame-war.......or else you do look like a troll yourself sir.
I have written one such post myself actually.
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Posted: Dec 27th 2011 12:32PM jimr9999us said

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Turbine does a great job with story in LotRO and imho was the inspiration for SWTOR's direction.

I could easily see Bioware producing 2x Rep/Empire quest lines + 1x Class quest a year if LotRO can do 2-3 books a year.

Story will be fine. Will the baseline gameplay mechanics be fun enough to keep me around month after month? That is my concern for TOR's longevity.

Posted: Dec 27th 2011 12:34PM syberghost said

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There was a story carried on this site a couple of days ago covering a dev forum post about how they have the voice actors on contract for all the new story stuff they're working on.

I suppose it's POSSIBLE he was lying...

Posted: Dec 27th 2011 12:35PM real65rcncom said

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why worry about what happens when one day you'll "eventually" run out of story as the author says?

I see this a lot from critics who usually say "The story is great, and I'm level 13 but what happens when I hit 50?"

It's like saying "Yeah, the sun feels great and warms my skin and makes the grass grow and all, but what happens in X years when it goes supernova?"

Why are people who claim they like the game worried about what's going to happen much later instead of just enjoying what they are doing now?

I dont know exactly when this mindset happened in mmos but it's like some kind of virus that grows exponentially each year.

Posted: Dec 27th 2011 1:33PM (Unverified) said

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@real65rcncom "This one a long time have I watched. All his life has he looked away... to the future, to the horizon. Never his mind on where he was. Hmm? What he was doing. Hmph."
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Posted: Dec 27th 2011 12:37PM Lockisezmode said

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I can't make up my mind as to whether Jef is trolling or geniunely as much of an idiot as this article makes him look. Then again, this gaming journalism so I knew what to expect.





Posted: Dec 27th 2011 12:46PM Seare said

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@Lockisezmode

The same thing crossed my mind as well.
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Posted: Dec 27th 2011 12:39PM (Unverified) said

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Guys? Dont be harsh on Jef. Well not for this specious article at least.

He doesn't actually buy into what he is typing (and if he does its only a incidental coincidence). What he is interested in doing is creating controversy to generate page view, he's admitted to as much openly in this very blog. Its painfully transparent and sadly it often works. He'll come up with some strawman or other, formed around a hot button issue de jour, and sit back and watch the comments and page views roll in. In any other internet venue he'd be called a troll, at massively however he is given a pass and is very likely the reason the "soapbox" column was created in the first place as when he first started writing here he was constantly hijacking his own Conan focused column to rant about completely unrelated subjects again in a clear effort to generate page views.

The best way to deal with Jef? If you see a article written by him on this site? Just don't click on it, pass it by. Something I'm going to return to doing after this one comment. Its ashame however that massively doesn't have the functionality to down-vote articles as well as comments (without having to click through of course).

Posted: Dec 27th 2011 1:09PM Nautius said

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Very nice observations. I agree 100%. 9/10, I think his articles are crap and I constantly wonder how he continues to have a staff job for Massively.

I actually did not pay attention to who wrote it, but saw the asinine comments made and looked back. I then thought, "Oh, ok, that makes sense considering the source".

Otherwise, had I seen it was Jef(f), I would have passed on it entirely.

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Posted: Dec 27th 2011 2:04PM Blay said

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Its an opinion piece by a childish writer so it is bound to have many different responses because that was the intent of the article from the start. What crossed it over into inappropriate was his comments down here. It is one thing to have a differing opinion and argue it but to troll people, call them children and have an overall **** attitude towards anyone who disagrees with his blog is very unnecessary.

Hopefully someone puts Jef in his place or gets him out of theirs since as an employee of massively he should be smart enough to not get into it with readers who sink to low levels and throw insults. It does nothing at all besides make him look immature and make the site look very amateurish.
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Posted: Dec 27th 2011 12:42PM Brombz said

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Looks like Bioware delivered on what they promised with the release and they have a solid track record of quality - so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now. Everyone is entitiled to their opinion though. I would be surprised if they just gave up on making story content - but don' expect monthly story releases. Maybe quarterly with operation, flash points and quality of life changes in between. Plus large story based expansions.

Posted: Dec 27th 2011 12:44PM Malagarr said

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Specifically regarding TOR, BW has already stated that the story lines will continue with content patches. Now, I don't expect a tremendous amount of story with the content patches, but just enough to get us on our way is fine by me. Obviously, a great deal of end game content will be operations, flash points and PvP. Dialogue will probably not play a huge role. But it will be there, if BW stays true to its word.

Regarding upcoming MMOs and the lack of story, it's more than a bit early in the game to make statements like this. It would be like going back to 1999 and saying MMOs have no future because there aren't many in development. Two years from now, if no one is developing story driven MMOs like TOR, then I will concede your point. But right now? I think most dev companies aren't going to drop a load of money on something that may or may not be popular with gamers. They'll take a wait and see approach. If TOR is successful, some will follow suit. If not, they aren't likely to.

But you're also missing a key point: cinematic style scenes aren't exactly hard to do nowadays. Many games (NWN2 comes to mind) permitted players to create their own cinematics in game when using the toolset. That really just leaves the need for voice acting, and many studios could easily just stick their employees in that role. There's no real reason this should be prohibitively expensive for any publishing company.

So, assuming storyline is a draw for players, expect to see a lot more of it in the future.

Posted: Dec 27th 2011 12:44PM Gildas said

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It's about time there were a little more criticism of this game. Basing an MMORPG around a pre-packaged, fully-voiced story system is quite frankly a stupid idea. It is opposite of the sandboxy nature that is intrinsic to a virtual world experience.

And to the people who are zealously defending what this game is doing, you are the reason why we haven't seen much progress in the genre for over seven years. Stop trying to defend objectively poor design decisions. It isn't making things any better.

Posted: Dec 27th 2011 12:52PM real65rcncom said

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@Gildas "It's about time there were a little more criticism of this game"

Criticism? Certainly.

Unwarranted, futuristic, specious, and irrelevant (after one week's launch) criticism? No.

Unless you're the type of person who routinely buys a mmo or console game, loads it up and says "Man, it's pretty fun now.. but what happens when I get near the end?"

Even kids don't do that when they are actually playing with new toys. Again, I can't imagine any adult other than the most pessimistic type of personality who looks for the dark cloud on a sunny day playing video games in this way and simply not enjoying the moment.
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Posted: Dec 27th 2011 12:52PM Malagarr said

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@Gildas

I'd love to see some good sandbox MMOs developed, but if you're suggesting that MMOs are, by nature, sandboxes, you're simply wrong. MMOs come in two flavors: themepark and sandbox. Someday we may see a variant where the two are put together in one game. But criticizing an MMO simply because it is part of one camp and not the other is not going to win you points with anyone.
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