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Posted: Dec 25th 2011 4:52PM Nucleon said

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Couple things. I just started playing LoL this week and I must say it's a lot of fun. The game has different levels of strategy and is not only challenging but fun. You can pick right up and get into the action easily. There are lots of champs and each plays pretty differently.

I didn't face the wrath of the tribunal but did get a 1 day ban for leaving a game early (had to pick up my GF from the bars, she had a few too many and couldn't drive). Yes, I had to serve a 1 day ban for something fairly out of my control. So what, it's one day not a big deal. And frankly I'm glad that I was punished, because it means it's a punishment system you have to actually take seriously. I find their reporting, tribunal, and leaver buster system actually quite awesome. Jerk players really make a lot of MMOs not fun, and this power-to-the-players type system is exactly what some other MMOs need to adopt. Imagine something like that in WoW with LFR... pure unbridled awesome.

Posted: Dec 25th 2011 11:59PM Tizmah said

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@Nucleon You may say 1 day is nothing, but that's pretty drastic for simply leaving a game early. I can't support a system if that kind of stuff happens so easily. That's too absurd.

I mean I like the idea of voting against bad players, but at the same time I don't trust most fellow gamers to make the right call. Perhaps I don't fully understand this system though.

I've always like the idea of LFG systems in MMOs to have a player rating feature, where players have a score of some sort where players can vote on their performance, etc.
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Posted: Dec 26th 2011 12:40AM h4ngedm4n said

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@Tizmah
The reason that leaving (even for legit reasons) is frowned upon so sharply by the community is due to the 5v5 nature of the game. A person leaving changes it to 4v5 and effectively ruins the game for 9 other people. Basically, people who queue up are prepared to commit 45 mins of their time for a standard game, maybe 20-30 min for a dominion game.

This is very different from a pve mmorpg where a guy who has to leave can simply be replaced by another player who is online.
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Posted: Dec 25th 2011 5:21PM Scuffles said

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.......... So the round about message I can take from this is if I am horrible at LoL (Which I am, not for lack of trying) or have some external vector outside my control causes issues (my internet goes down mid game, hasn't happened in LoL* but it has happened in other games) I could be banned?

Sounds like a smashing system.....

*So far I have stuck out every game I have played even when its quite obvious from early on that our team is going to get our butts handed to us.

Posted: Dec 25th 2011 5:39PM (Unverified) said

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@Scuffles I get the same exact message from this as well. Horrible system to ban players like this. Glad I don't play this game.
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Posted: Dec 25th 2011 5:57PM Brendan Drain said

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@Scuffles Players are never banned for being bad at the game, but losing does seem to bring out the inner troll in people and it's that behaviour that can get a player banned.
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Posted: Dec 26th 2011 7:19PM Ilikesoup said

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@Scuffles This is a team game. Why should others suffer because you select and keep a poor connection? I doubt you're trying if you can't get better. It's more likely that what you classify as "trying" isn't much. You're one of those "Oh I shouldn't have to do so much reading! Math! I shouldn't have to plan! If it's on a third party site I don't have to read it or know it." people. It's bad enough with window licking "herp derp it's my $15" people in WoW so I'm glad LoL's community is taking care of their fellow players.
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Posted: Dec 25th 2011 6:11PM Graill440 said

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So instead of hiring GM's to police their game they use players for free? What a developer will spin and make sound great to players, and those players lap it up without question.

15 million registered means absolutely nothing today, those with common sense understand that and reporters typing that BS should too. 99 percent of the game require you register to even look at the game. Kids dont let this dev spin and ignorance of your brain capacity influence you when you read this type of hype.

When a game comes out it will have to be policed, that is the role of GM's, companies to cheap to hire "one" or "thousands" shouldnt be running in the first place. The game developer is responsible for maintaning a game environment that does not have bullying (a federal crime soon), comments not popular with the current society or area and a raft of other derogatory or coersive comments to another player that GM's must handle. Instead the companies sucker the player into doing the mass of work the developers do not want to pay for, pathetic, any way you look at it.

SWTOR is bad right now on this point, there are zero gm's ingame, a very bad thing, and dev bots ignorantly handle help tickets with no resolution to players, whether its a request for a bad encounter, messed up player with some mechanic or a raid gone bad.

Cut and paste replies by these bots like "we have sent your information to the next level, although you will not be told what the result is look for it in some future patch", what total bs.

Now we see this company touting suckering players into doing the jobs they are to cheap to hire, the game has far less than 500k active subs i would wager going by the hype meter of the word "registered", a ploy low sub games use to garner interest. Hell, i too can make a person interested in picking up dog crap in the neighbors yard and make them think they want to do it because it is cool.

Posted: Dec 25th 2011 6:31PM Braiks said

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@(Unverified) The game has 15 million active players, not easy to police all of them, is it?
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Posted: Dec 25th 2011 6:11PM Graill440 said

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So instead of hiring GM's to police their game they use players for free? What a developer will spin and make sound great to players, and those players lap it up without question.

15 million registered means absolutely nothing today, those with common sense understand that and reporters typing that BS should too. 99 percent of the game require you register to even look at the game. Kids dont let this dev spin and ignorance of your brain capacity influence you when you read this type of hype.

When a game comes out it will have to be policed, that is the role of GM's, companies to cheap to hire "one" or "thousands" shouldnt be running in the first place. The game developer is responsible for maintaning a game environment that does not have bullying (a federal crime soon), comments not popular with the current society or area and a raft of other derogatory or coersive comments to another player that GM's must handle. Instead the companies sucker the player into doing the mass of work the developers do not want to pay for, pathetic, any way you look at it.

SWTOR is bad right now on this point, there are zero gm's ingame, a very bad thing, and dev bots ignorantly handle help tickets with no resolution to players, whether its a request for a bad encounter, messed up player with some mechanic or a raid gone bad.

Cut and paste replies by these bots like "we have sent your information to the next level, although you will not be told what the result is look for it in some future patch", what total bs.

Now we see this company touting suckering players into doing the jobs they are to cheap to hire, the game has far less than 500k active subs i would wager going by the hype meter of the word "registered", a ploy low sub games use to garner interest. Hell, i too can make a person interested in picking up dog crap in the neighbors yard and make them think they want to do it because it is cool.

Posted: Dec 25th 2011 6:35PM paterah said

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Just a small correction Brendan, the game has 32.5 million registered accounts and 11.5 active ones.

Posted: Dec 25th 2011 6:46PM (Unverified) said

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@Graill440 You absolutely could not be further from the truth. They DID announce their active players as well as daily players which are btw 4million (the daily players) and 11.4 their active players. It's not easy to moderate them just by using GMs. Btw the tribunal works and quite well actually and here are some questions asked about it recently just in case: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/nkdhb/amaa_pendragon_zileas_here_to_answer_your/

Posted: Dec 26th 2011 7:32PM Graill440 said

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Thanks for the link though i wasnt looking for it since it was not from the company, it was like this site, it recieved the information second hand and posted what was given.

And excuse the triple post, hit the send button and the page reloaded so id did a shorter version, wasnt intentional.

As for the GM service yes you can support your subscriber base with real time help. My brother has never had to wait more than 10-20 minutes for a REAL gm to help or correct an issue, and this is with the big gorilla everyone hates, and yet they have by far the best customer serice around, and 10 million folks playing their game, anumber that can be proven in supplied callouts or whitepapers supplied by them by simply asking, no other company will do this.....NONE.

So before folks start downgrading blogs because they are afraid of reading think about this, if you create a game that has X amount of people, you had better have the X amount of support to help those people and not bots as i pointed out.

As for the registered user comment, you folks do your homework before downgrading something, not that i care, just shows the fear and lazyness of people not wanting to read others opinions and factual statements. Do your homework, get a financial statements from the company and ask for numbers, i would wager not 1% of you would be willing to do the work and instead just read half an article or believe what you see on the internet without source to back it up, and i do not reference another site taking second hand info and putting it out there.

Anyway have a happy holiday and dont drink and drive, we will be out there. Grin.
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Posted: Dec 25th 2011 7:19PM Skyydragonn said

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Not to point fingers but almost all of the negative comments sound like the same type of people that throw tantrums when a teammate makes amistake that could cost thier team the game. This system prevents just that type of behavior. Also th report function requires an explanation be given with the submission of your petition. this as well as other data is presented to the community tribunal (lvl 30 players) to review and decide whether the reported players actions are bad enough to warrant punishment. if you go by statistics out of 11.4 mil active players 1.4 mil have had at least a 1 day ban with half of those who were punished never facing tribunal again, so that reduces the number of griefers and pottymouthed trolls to roughly 500k thats apretty significant step up from most MMOs where you can literanlly spout a litany of racial epitaphs and never recieve so much as a warning for them under standard GM repsonse systems.

Plain and simple thier system works, it rewards community involvement for those who choose to vote in the tribunal system, and serves to prevent a good deal of what makes other games just not fun.

Posted: Dec 27th 2011 6:59PM (Unverified) said

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@Skyydragonn small math error there, 1.4% of 11.4 million is more on the order of 100.000, not 1.000.000
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Posted: Dec 25th 2011 7:47PM Nudles said

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I like this system.
If there's something that puts me off playing moba games such as LoL and HoN, it's the community.

Letting the community help "police" unreasonable behaviour is a nice idea and if implemented well can improve it.

Posted: Dec 25th 2011 7:50PM Nepentheia said

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Hmm... very interesting!

Sounds like a game one could actually like, you know--PLAY--instead of having to put up with all the s***heads.

And at the very least, in this game it seems there IS a way of actually DEALING with the s***heads!

Nice! :-D

Posted: Dec 25th 2011 8:18PM Adeptus Enginus said

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I love how many people are bashing this system without actually knowing how it works at all. Seriously, did anyone who's bashing Riot for "not hiring GMs" actually READ the article past the title?

The Tribunal simply votes on the cases as they come up, pardoning or punishing as they see fit.

Pardoned players cases are dismissed, and the issue is out of the system, effectively never to be spoken of again.

Punished players on the other hand, are SENT TO THE GM TEAM FOR PUNISHMENT.

The system doesn't "exclude" GMs at all, or make it so Riot doesn't need to hire any. It simply reduces the overall spam and rubbish reports that the GMs have to contend with on a regular basis.

So you know, that guy that was on your team who wanted to play a champion you chose, then got mad when you did better then him and reported you? The Tribunal makes it so the GMs don't have to waste their time NOT banning you for that, since the players will obviously pardon you when the reasoning behind the report was nonexistent.

The only real valid complaint against the system I've ever seen is the idea that players will just spam Punish to rack up free IP, but statistics have proven that this simply isn't the case.

Thing is, the Tribunal isn't paraded very much at all. Every few months they'll have a post like this reminding the playerbase that the Tribunal EXISTS, but there's no daily reminder or any sort of notification you need to "do your tribunal today". On top of that, the reward is marginal at best (5 RP per majority ruling, which adds up to an average 50 or so IP a day if you vote in favor of the majority on all your cases, less than LOSING a single match), so in the end, the only people who actually partake in the voting are people who care enough to take the time and remember to do it.

TL:DR - If you're going to bash a system, at least have a clue as to how it works. The Tribunal is a very well put together system, and it's functionality is unquestionable. It does what it was made to do, and in a community like LoL's, every little bit helps.

Posted: Dec 25th 2011 9:15PM Amlin said

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More mmos need to adopt a system like this.

Posted: Dec 25th 2011 10:54PM SKYeXile said

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sounds like a good system to me, lets the GM's not waste time on stupid appeals.

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