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Posted: Dec 23rd 2011 9:53PM DarkWalker said

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My first rule regarding praise for a product is that I disregard it (or, at the very least, take it with a grain of salt) if it comes from the developers/publisher, anyone on their payroll, or anyone who has a vested interest on the product's success.

Besides, I don't see TOR as something really different. It's basically classic MMO stuff with a watered down Bioware-made story (watered down because, different from what happens on their single player games, TOR prevents the player from gaining or losing power due to his choices) and full voice overs (something that, for me, is not really meaningful; I prefer to read anyway, I like books better than movies, and in games I almost always skip the voice over as soon as I finish reading the subtitle). Bioware kept very close to most WoW conventions when designing their game.

Posted: Dec 23rd 2011 10:00PM (Unverified) said

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I get that it's a PR blurb, but still... Bioware have been spouting out this kind of arrogant, egotistical drivel for too long now. - acting like they reinvented the wheel when all they did was give it a new coat of paint.

90% score? WAR's sitting at 86%. Over a million players? WAR had 900K at launch. Much good it did them.

MMOs are a long game. Let's see how long they actually hold on to those player numbers.

Posted: Dec 23rd 2011 10:15PM freebase said

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Gotta laugh at everyone posting here being mad that Bioware would dare to hype their game. XD

Posted: Dec 24th 2011 12:20AM Skyydragonn said

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@freebase
No one is mad that Bioware is hyping thier game, people are diagreeing with the hypes 'selling points'

I can't deny its a well made Themepark MMO, but thats all that it is. there is very little that sets it apart from any other subscription based MMO themepark.
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Posted: Dec 24th 2011 12:56AM freebase said

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Did you even read the press release? It doesn't contain any outrageous claims. It's all standard fare. This thread is just full of keyboard jockeys complaining about the latest thing.
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Posted: Dec 24th 2011 5:41PM Song7 said

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@freebase Pot meet Kettle.
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Posted: Dec 23rd 2011 10:16PM toychristopher said

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So it's an mmo... with voice acting? I still don't see the appeal.

Posted: Dec 23rd 2011 10:24PM Nadril said

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@toychristopher I remember when EQ2 touted that as a major selling point when it came out.
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Posted: Dec 24th 2011 12:47AM Borick said

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@Nadril I also remember when EQ2 came out.

I remember it because it was at the same time WoW came out, and while EQ2 boxes filled the PC gaming rack, for the first month or so you might have to visit multiple stores to find a copy of WoW.
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Posted: Dec 24th 2011 3:36PM Mystal said

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@toychristopher To be fair, the voice acting and dialog wheel does add a lot more to the experience than you would think. Something about waiting to see what choices you'll have, what badass line your character might utter, whether or not you'll get the option to force choke some one, earn some light side points, etc, all makes the questing/story experience much richer than other MMOs.

That said, as cool as the voice acting/dialog wheel is, once you get past that, it's about as unambitious and vanilla as can be. Considering that people have written WoW emulators from the ground up and gotten them to work pretty smoothly in their spare time, it's not a really great accomplishment for Bioware to put out a Star Wars flavored WoW emulator.
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Posted: Dec 23rd 2011 10:21PM PhelimReagh said

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WoW in space with a 30 year established IP is "ambitious"? LOL. That's about all I can muster.

Posted: Dec 23rd 2011 10:36PM Yukon Sam said

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This is one of the greatest and most ambitious achievements in video game history...

...in much the same sense that Jar Jar Binks is one of the most compelling dramatic heroes ever to grace the silver screen.

You don't get to declare the magnificence of your own work. That's for critics, players and history to judge. Tell your marketing dweebs to take their meds and go lie down. They're hyperhypelating.

Posted: Dec 23rd 2011 10:57PM Tizmah said

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Good job guys, just like tradition mandates, we bash the latest MMO! Alright guys, enough and hop on board the hype train to Guild Wars 2. We'll ride it all the way and then once we are there, we can bash it too and call it nothing different!

If you'd like something "different", those MMOs are already out there. Xyson, Darkfall, Dawntide, Wurm, Love, etc. Quit complaining and go support those "different" MMOs already and quit complaining about ours.

Posted: Dec 24th 2011 2:21AM Daeths said

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@Tizmah But this time it really will be! Ill change the whole way we see the world!

in all seriousness tho, GW2 is at least trying to make some significant changes to the genre, well just have to wait too see how it all works out
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Posted: Dec 24th 2011 3:42PM Mystal said

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@Tizmah If some slacker ries really hard and pulls a B+ in math, it's fine for him to be proud of his personal accomplishment. But if he then declares himself to be the greatest mind of the past century and he's not being ironic, it's not "bashing" him to point out that it's just a B+, and there are plenty of students pulling straight A's and not thumping their chest about it.

Bioware has accomplished a B+. They've launched a game that incorporated voice acting and story on a scale that's unprecedented in MMOs. But they also launched it full of bugs, and lacking in virtually every other area. No one with any sense of MMO or video game history could consider it to be one of the great accomplishments of all time in this field, but there Bioware is declaring just that, less than a week after the game officially launched.

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Posted: Dec 23rd 2011 11:06PM Borick said

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They are engineering scarcity with all of the entropy-loving Dark Side power they can muster.

Don't worry, though. The more they tighten their grip...

Posted: Dec 23rd 2011 11:08PM hami83 said

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Well....I guess in regards to the scope of the voice acting, it's an ambitious achievement that has been successful.

But as a game... It's the norm.

Posted: Dec 23rd 2011 11:17PM Borick said

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@hami83 It's the norm for 2004, maybe. To release such a game in 2011 seems almost like parody.
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Posted: Dec 23rd 2011 11:13PM Joaquin Crowe said

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Don't'cha just love public relations? The company gets to toot it's own horn making up whatever it wants to in a press release and it's taken seriously. It's just some marketing guy B.S.ing his way to the executive suite. And this goes for all companies, not just Bioware.

Posted: Dec 23rd 2011 11:22PM NeverDeath said

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