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Posted: Dec 23rd 2011 9:19PM hatter44 said

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Yay i guess

Posted: Dec 23rd 2011 9:21PM Miffy said

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It really isn't...

Posted: Dec 24th 2011 2:30AM babywolfman said

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@Miffy
If nothing else, I think it's a tad early to make that call.
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Posted: Dec 24th 2011 4:46AM DancingCow said

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@Miffy

It sounds like they're unhappy and are overcompensating.

1+ million registered subscribers is pretty good but other MMOs have done that or better. Plus retention after the first month often drops off.

To pull out the largely meaningless number-of-characters-created statistic is usually an act of desperation. Eg. it's what Turbine did when LOTRO failed to get anywhere near the 1 million subscribers they predicted for themselves.

Since they said they'd be happy and quite profitable with 1 million subscribers they should have said they're pleased with the product, the reviews have been positive and their sales are on target.

Rolling out these other fluffy statistics and making that boast.... bad PR IMO.
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Posted: Dec 24th 2011 5:44AM Miffy said

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@DancingCow

To me SWTOR is just the end of that style of MMO and it is such a shame Bioware didn't do anything great with it, instead it'll be forgotten within a year.

Someone else will come along and mark the new era with something innovative for the genre.
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Posted: Dec 24th 2011 12:12PM (Unverified) said

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@Miffy
Seriously.
The reviews I've seen all gush over the cutscenes and the story and how the instanced stuff makes it feel like you're actually changing the world, and that's well and good.... for a singleplayer RPG.
But overall it looks like it just doesn't make a good MMO, and that's where the problem is.
If all of the positive points of your game would have worked just fine (or been even better) in a singleplayer or co-op RPG, then it just doesn't feel like it deserves the monthly fee.
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Posted: Dec 24th 2011 3:06PM DancingCow said

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@Miffy

I agree completely.

I was in the beta and very impressed with the story but the rest of the game was just WoW with lasers. Safe but done to death.

Personally I was really excited about their earlier plans for a different (not like WoW's) combat system. If they'd stuck with that I'd have bought it and be playing it right now.

Instead I'll wait for games like GW2, TSW and maybe Tera.
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Posted: Dec 25th 2011 2:10AM (Unverified) said

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@DancingCow

Blabla. Man, you and Miffy having a circle jerk here?

Christ, not everyone is a burnt out, jaded MMO vet as you people seem to be. Just accept the simple fact that gameplay that was fun to you people a long time ago but on which you have burnt yourselves out on by excessively playing it, can still be fun and enjoyable to other people.

A simple fact that everybody should be aware of: gameplay that used to be fun but isn't anymore for some people after playing like that for years, can still be fun and enjoyable to others who haven't played 10,000+ hours like that or who just don't mind the same gameplay style. Just like shooter fans don't mind that the core combat mechanics of new shooter games are basically the same as they were 10 years ago.
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Posted: Dec 26th 2011 1:21PM kalipou134 said

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lmao

Swtor isn't going anywhere and it IS one of the greatest achievements in a long time. If you can't see it you're just delusionnal.

It's the first MMO to PROPERLY copy what made WoW the giant it is today. Many tried and failed on one aspect or another (Aion, WAR, AoC, DCUO, ect) but SWTOR actually did it, they got everything right and THEN they ADDED what made the KOTOR franchise one of if not THE best RPG franchise in years.

So yeah, take your failass negativity and don't let the door it you on the ass.
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Posted: Dec 23rd 2011 9:21PM DevilSei said

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Nope, its an achievement they've managed to not screw up a Star Wars game, YET. They only done KOTOR 1 and this though, and the first game never had to be supported beyond launch.

And making a statement like that, when your game (and sub numbers) is running off the free month high, is a big mistake. Something about "don't count your chickens before they hatch".

Posted: Dec 23rd 2011 9:23PM gordunk said

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If I was trying to sell/hype my own game I'd be calling it the greatest thing since sliced bread too. I don't judge MMO's by the launch splash they make, I judge them by the community after two to three months. THEN we'll see whether this game is truly a hit or not.

Posted: Dec 23rd 2011 10:32PM Saker said

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@gordunk Agree!
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Posted: Dec 24th 2011 5:16AM pid said

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@gordunk

True, but you can still enjoy the first 1-2-3 months of an MMO even if it turns out to not be that hit. I mean, the content is there and I'm having a great time playing. It even appeals to people not into MMOs. They tap into that cross-market, too. So I think it may NOT be a big hit, but still worth playing that limited amount of time.

As a dev or an investor I would be concerned about some issues... but I'm a player. And in my limited player mind I don't care about those devs/investors, I don't give s***. What I want is have fun for my money, and I'm getting it. So thumbs up and leave the gritty stuff to those who see in games ways of making money or whatever.

I even play Skyrim and Terraria which are not MMOs and I don't feel guilty any second of it. Why be so narrow minded? Why always "THIS IS NOT THE BIG THING"? Who cares? Have just fun. Have peace and love, too.
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Posted: Dec 23rd 2011 9:29PM laelgon said

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I understand being proud of what you do, but calling your product the greatest achievement in video game history is arrogant. You wait for some one unaffiliated with production to say that and then you put it on your box.

As much fun as the game is, we won't know how great it is until a few months to a year down the line, when we see how it's developed and retained its population.

Posted: Dec 23rd 2011 9:41PM The Grand Nagus said

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@laelgon wrote "I understand being proud of what you do, but calling your product the greatest achievement in video game history is arrogant."

They didnt say THE greatest.
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Posted: Dec 23rd 2011 9:33PM Wild Colors said

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I'm shocked that BioWare would think this. Shocked.


Posted: Dec 23rd 2011 9:40PM nc drake pilot said

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Right now I have to agree with BioWare. I hope this game keeps impressing me as I level up my Sith Inq, BH and IA.

Posted: Dec 23rd 2011 9:41PM Coldbrand said

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WoW Clone with Champions Online art style with taped on Mass Effect = greatest achievment in videogame history!

Posted: Dec 23rd 2011 10:18PM jaedrian said

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@Coldbrand

I hear this often of many games. Is it a clone in the fact that you make a character, complete quests, buy gear and have PVP? This would actually make this an Ultima Online clone as you could do those things there first.
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Posted: Dec 23rd 2011 11:17PM entropyboy said

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@Coldbrand
do people even understand what a 'clone' is??
i don't think they do, because they keep throwing around the word incorrectly.

no MMO has been a 'clone' of another MMO.

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