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Posted: Dec 2nd 2011 3:37PM Raikulxox said

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Wish Tiny Speck luck. I'm going to stay subscribed and check in on the game every so often. The only thing I'm doing now, though, is logging in to feed my pigs. Need to get Remote Animal Husbandry raised, heh.

Posted: Dec 2nd 2011 3:55PM SnarlingWolf said

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I am thinking the conversation went like this:

"So we want to make all of these changes. Maybe we should go back into a beta state while doing them."

"But if we were in beta then that means we aren't charging anything and we're losing money every day it isn't open."

"Oh no, not like that. We would keep operating the game, selling subscriptions, selling items, and releasing updates while we are doing the other work."

"Oh, so you mean basically we are operating how every other online game works by splitting work between the ongoing live game and an updated version."

"Yeah exactly."

"Ok because I was confused when you said we should go into a beta mode."

"We are going into a beta mode, but we will continue to operate the live game and make money off of it."

"That isn't beta."

"It is because I called it beta, that makes it beta."

"Why call it that?"

"To make it pointlessly confusing."


If they are going to continue to operate the game, keep selling stuff, keep releasing some small updates then they are NOT going into a beta mode. They are being ridiculous about the whole way they are announcing this.

Simply say that they plan to make some changes to core aspects of the game so patches will be light until the work is done but the game will be fully accessible the way it always has and all of your character information is safe. In other words, we are working on a big update the same way every other game does.

Posted: Dec 2nd 2011 4:11PM Irem said

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@SnarlingWolf
It's not ridiculous, because it's telling people what to expect.

They've said that they'll probably be a bit slower with non-essential bug reports and the like, and that there will be some downtime despite the game staying live. They're also queuing subs again, so that fewer people are joining up. By saying they're going "back to beta," they're drawing a clear line as to what they consider acceptable for the state of what is officially the live game, as well as giving themselves the freedom to make the changes they need.

On the forums they said that they'd have preferred to pause subscriptions, but that it would take a long time to get everyone squared away because of things like gift subs. In lieu of that, they're offering refunds and increased credits, and I -don't- know of any major MMO developers who have come out and said, "If you don't like the direction we'll be taking the game during our next few content patches, or you're upset with the downtime and bugs that might be occurring as we work on it, just let us know and we'll refund your money, no questions asked!" They're essentially saying that we can choose to continue to support them financially through this or not, and it seems like a large number of us (myself included) are okay with doing so.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2011 4:54PM (Unverified) said

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@SnarlingWolf

I think the reason they are calling it beta is that they will not leave access to the game open to everyone while they are in this updating phase. From what I understand, they want to make these changes with a limited amount of players in the game so access to the game will go back to being existing players + those they invite as it was in beta.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2011 9:48PM Channel84 said

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@SnarlingWolf
It's what ffxiv supposed to do instead of charging sub before the game fix/update
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2011 4:29PM JordyChrist said

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I've never been so excited for a beta...and this is their second one. I've already been a part of the street projects and rook attacks not to mention the first beta. So the thought of adding all these new features into gameplay is something to look forward to! Everything I have heard so far tells me that these changes are going to make the game even better. Which in my opinion, i never thought possible. I am also very proud of the way they are handling the whole thing. Nothing pisses gamers off more than being kept in the dark about things happening within their respective games. Kudos tiny speck...kudos!

Posted: Dec 2nd 2011 7:09PM shipwreck said

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I'm a fanboy but I think its a respectable, respectful, and ballsy move. It says a lot that TS are not just "working on stuff" while we plug away at a game and then pouncing on us with a whole slew of changes out of the blue. It shows strong communication and a real care for their customers/playerbase.

Posted: Dec 2nd 2011 7:55PM Beau Hindman said

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@shipwreck I think you're right, but I can totally understand why some people might think differently. It's an unusual move for sure. That's also why I closed it out by asking if this was basically a "bad" announcement...people saw it as one. Maybe we have just heard of too many games making BIG announcements like this and it scares us! lol

Thanks for the comments!

Beau
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2011 3:04AM Djabriil said

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@shipwreck: I'm with you. I appreciate hugely how well communications work in Glitch, and how well Tiny Speck keeps players updated.
And to be perfectly honest... I've been losing a bit of steam recently. I'm glad sweeping changes are coming, not just with customizations but also with making leveling up count for something other than just a number (and an even further way to go/more grinding to get to the next level). It's been a busy RL month, but the changes coming- and the recent changes already enacted- are sorta giving me a second wind.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2011 7:56PM Dblade said

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Eh. What's sad is that Animal Crossing essentially did what Glitch wanted to with better options and more impact on the collaboration. And less grinding. They should buy a copy and learn from it, like the importance of setting up your game with story, involving other people both NPCs and players, and giving meaningful rewards.

I wont hold my breath.

Posted: Dec 6th 2011 2:00AM Saucelah said

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@Dblade

Go play Animal Crossing then, I'm happy with Glitch.
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2011 7:13PM Raaqa said

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Why can't these guys publish a hardcore/download MMO? This is how you run a fucking company.

Posted: Dec 5th 2011 5:25PM Noah K said

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I requested a refund for all $125 I gave to TinySpeck over the past 6 months. No chance in hell I'll be giving them anymore money after this fiasco. See ya!

Posted: Dec 6th 2011 2:00AM Saucelah said

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@Noah K

What fiasco? Seriously, what fiasco?
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Posted: Dec 6th 2011 2:11AM Noah K said

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@Saucelah Look. Imagine what would happen if Turbine or SOE or Blizzard released Asheron's Call, Everquest, or World of Warcraft to the public... after nearly a YEAR of it being in Beta, only to say two months in, "Oh... yeah, we got way ahead of ourselves. We're going to back to Beta. We're gunna change core mechanics, and there MIGHT be a player reset." None of those games would have become successful.

The fact that Tiny Speck is going back to the drawing board does NOT give me confidence in the game. Let's say they relauch again in 6 months... is there ANY guarantee that they won't go BACK TO BETA again? Nope. There's absolutely no guarantee they could give me, because they already did this all once before!

I've lost faith. That's why I requested all of my money back and that's why they will not get a single dime from me again in the future.
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Posted: Dec 6th 2011 2:29AM Saucelah said

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@Noah K

Not great choices for analogs: those games required box purchases and required subscriptions, so more people had more money invested for longer times.

But ok, let's say you're right. What if they do relaunch again in 6 months? What have you lost? Your subscription money? Oh, nope, they'll give that all back to you. So what have you lost?

So I'll ask again: what fiasco?
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