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Posted: Dec 1st 2011 10:42PM Dblade said

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The thing is though, that through the grab bags silver players can actually buy things like costume, character slots, and archetypes with in game money, while buyers can spend a small amount of cash to gamble for things with a decent global payout.

Also, none of these are particularly required. This isn't gambling for OP gear that you need to survive in PvP. You can not purchase a single bag, and if you have the cash, can buy the items at the AH.

While I agree gachapons aren't a good development, cryptic's c-store is pretty decent for what it is. This isn't something like runes of magic, allods, or cosmic break.

Posted: Dec 2nd 2011 1:59AM Furdinand said

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The funny thing is that since they aren't selling tangible items it isn't like they need to "unload" undesirable items. Giving people worthless rewards in this case is almost more of an insult than giving them nothing.

Posted: Dec 2nd 2011 4:54AM smartstep said

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Yes they are a scam.

Posted: Dec 2nd 2011 5:33AM smartstep said

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@smartstep

and a gambling.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2011 4:57AM GW2waiting said

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Mmmm I wonder if certain governments are aware of these lotteries. Many governments require such schemes to be registered to protect consumers, prevent fraud etc. Even raffles in my country have to be registered if a prize is awarded.

If it looks like a scam, walks like a scam, quacks like scam, probably is a scam.

Posted: Dec 2nd 2011 5:03AM GW2waiting said

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Mmmm I wonder if certain governments are aware of these lotteries. Many governments require such schemes to be registered to protect consumers, prevent fraud etc. Even raffles in my country have to be registered if a prize is awarded.

If it looks like a scam, walks like a scam, quacks like scam, probably is a scam.

Posted: Dec 2nd 2011 9:36AM (Unverified) said

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Does the Scourge archetype unlock if you DONT already own the Cursed Archetype? Or do you have to own the original, to win the variant?

Any direct info would be helpful - thanks!

-X

Posted: Dec 2nd 2011 8:01PM Dblade said

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@(Unverified) The scourge is 100% the same as the cursed in gameplay. The difference is in the power colors. A gold player can tint the existing archetype, and no loss. The only plus of the grab bag archetype is you can sell it and buy it for globals in trade or on the AH.

There's literally no difference. Unless you want red powers as a silver, in which case you just save up 250g in ingame money and buy it from another player.

The real problem imo is that the costume pieces drop from the bags, and it can cost a lot to get them if you spend real money, since they are random drops. But again, you can also buy some people sell in AH.

There's a bit of overreaction. Now if you could ONLY get a new infernal AT through the bags, and not pay for it directly, there'd be much more justifiable anger.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2011 11:57AM Warsyde said

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The problem with comparing grab bags to real life gambling is that when gambling in a casino (or wherever) both sides have the risk of loss -- the gambler can lose all of their real money and leave with less than they arrived with, or the gambler can win a jackpot and the casino has less money than when the gambler arrived. There's a true risk of loss in both directions, even if the odds are stacked heavily in the casino's favor.

Grab bags in a video game are entirely different, as ALL THE RISK LIES WITH THE GAMBLER. The gaming company doesn't lose anything when a player gets a bag with a jackpot in it, but the player loses real money when they get a bag that's worth far less than they paid.

These things are nothing but a money making scam. If they weren't, the bags would be guaranteed to contain random items with value equal to the cost you pay to acquire them, with a small chance of jackpot items. That achieves the same goal (random rewards) without taking real money from players in return for nothing.

Posted: Dec 2nd 2011 6:50PM SkuzBukit said

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The regulatory bodies for gambling wanted to take a look at many eastern MMO operators books to see if the were playing by the rules with their customers.......they were basically told to f*** off.

Scamming isn't always being carried out by criminals, but that's just because they haven't been labelled as such....yet.

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