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Posted: Nov 29th 2011 3:02PM drunkingamebar said

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@Archintyeron as we all have learned, or as we all are still learning is that history repeats itself.

Titan is a big name, for a big game.

Titanic is a big ship, with a big name.

Ten years ago I'd never doubt Blizzard, today, well today I don't think they can pull anything off like Diablo, Starcraft or WoW. IMO I think their luck had run out.
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Posted: Nov 29th 2011 3:46PM (Unverified) said

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@NeverDeath We get it, dude, you don't like WoW. Your 100 posts shitting all over the game make it loud and clear. The fact you take the time to write out a gigantic wall of text about it is the only thing more lame than your continued bashing of a product you obviously have no interest in.
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Posted: Nov 29th 2011 7:43PM NeverDeath said

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Nothing you say removes the right of a person to express their opinions, fascist. Mine are merely supported by evidence, while yours remain vague whilst you hide behind ignorant banter and failed attempts to insult. We get it, you care for my opinions about as much as I care to hear yours - but I, unlike you, do not wish to abolish your right to say it. Have a nice day, Adolf.
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Posted: Nov 29th 2011 8:06PM (Unverified) said

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@NeverDeath

I see Godwin's Law still applies.

Yeah, you can blather on all you want, but you should realize not too many people bother to read a wall of text like you posted above.

Try a short version: "I hate WoW". There, now we know everything we need to know about you.
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Posted: Nov 29th 2011 10:09PM Loopy said

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@NeverDeath Why every time somebody speaks out against the WoW-hate, they are called fascists? Nobody is attacking your right to "speech", even though that term has lost all of its meaning by being referenced in situations where it does, and where it doesn't apply.

I too am tired of WoW-hate. And i don't even play WoW any more. How can a person be so angry at a game, or even at a developer. What fuels this anger? Is it the changes to the game? Do you guys feel betrayed, or just pissed off that somebody is tinkering with your hobby?

People need to realize that they don't "own" WoW. They don't own their characters, or their items, or their achievements. It is merely a permission to use it. Once you are dissatisfied with a product, leave it alone and move on.

I will never understand this need to continue bashing on a game long after stopping playing it.
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Posted: Nov 29th 2011 10:13PM NeverDeath said

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If you don't like what I have to say, that's okay - but again, complaining about it isn't going to change it. It is both strange and interesting that the statistical percentage of people on the internet who will read my entire post displeases you, but I don't concern myself with things like that. I wrote about WoW from the one of a million perspectives on the game that is my own, on a thread wherein the topic is WoW. Contrary to unpopular belief (which you evidently hold regardless), discussion occurs when people share their views, in a setting where they are allowed to do so.

If you wish to speak but not read/hear what others have to say, the internet is not the place for you. You should have some kids and speak condescendingly to them, where you have some actual power to silence them. Hell maybe you could even indoctrinate them to be feeble-minded and unquestioning so that you can just say what you want to an audience who won't object. The world is a place of disharmony because people are different, I suggest that you find a means of coping with that.

Stay classy, comrade Stalin.
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Posted: Nov 29th 2011 10:19PM NeverDeath said

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@Loopy

Anger? How misinformed. You reserve the right to be tired of people who are tired of WoW, and I reserve the right to be tired of airheads who are perfectly entertained with people referring to it as the industry standard when with each patch it spirals further and further from that title which it no longer reflects nor resembles.

People who are content to the point of complacency are slowing down the evolution of the genre, which effects all who play such games. Simply because you are pleased with WoW and its clones doesn't mean there aren't people who would like to play an MMO which departs from such tired systems.
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Posted: Nov 29th 2011 10:21PM JuliusSeizure said

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@NeverDeath

What the Hell, dude? Hypocrisy much? You're railing against the exact thing you're doing while doing it, and furthermore your target didn't do anything like it.

Take a damn chill pill.
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Posted: Nov 29th 2011 10:42PM NeverDeath said

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@JuliusSeizure

Hypocrisy? I think you need to Merriam-Webster, immediately. I'm fine with other people having their opinions. I don't bow to cowards however, so I'm not going to stop having my opinion, or participating in discussions about relevant topics simply because some people are ideologically xenophobic.

The genius basically suggested that I stop posting anything longer than "I hate WoW", when I don't in fact HATE anything. In fact the only people who have used the word "hate", have been the radical extremists on the opposite side of this discussion. Pay some attention or do not, but don't speak before you do, unless of course looking futile and lost is habitual for you.
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Posted: Nov 30th 2011 6:18PM (Unverified) said

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@NeverDeath

For someone so filled with love and light, you sure throw around "Nazi" and Stalin comments willy-nilly. I'm confused - are those who disagree with your posts Fascists or Communists?

btw - ideological xenophobes made me snort coffee out my nose. My keyboard actually does hate you now.
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Posted: Nov 30th 2011 6:57PM NeverDeath said

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Uh, I'm basically being told not to post what I want to say because other people are too lazy to read three paragraphs. Being told I should just say "I hate WoW" instead of saying what I want to say, suggesting that I do not have the right to say what I wish on an open forum where anyone can do so is not only completely idiotic by definition, but also fascist to suggest that unless I believe as they believe, I should keep my opinions to myself. That is surely what is suggested when WoW-supporters are not greeted by said individuals with similar hostility and trolling. I can't believe I had to actually outline that for you, but there you go. It's funny that you tried to turn it around on me, I know that playing with semantics and rhetoric is a good way for the hive mind to avoid responsibility for their own words, but it only works if people allow you to continue doing so - clearly I am not one such target.

"Ideological xenophobe" is obviously an unnecessarily complex way of saying "egocentric brain-sharing halfwit", but it's a technical description based on a person's actions,rather than inflammatory slur which, however fitting or correct, will still be flagged by such "free thinkers" as "ad hominem", regardless of how true the words ring. Apologize to your keyboard for me ;)

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Posted: Nov 30th 2011 7:53PM (Unverified) said

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@NeverDeath

""Ideological xenophobe" is obviously an unnecessarily complex way of saying "egocentric brain-sharing halfwit", but it's a technical description based on a person's actions,rather than inflammatory slur which, however fitting or correct, will still be flagged by such "free thinkers" as "ad hominem", regardless of how true the words ring."

Ah, come on now, be honest here. Did you plug those words into one of those random paragraph generators? Because they are unworthy of a man of your self-obvious intellect.

A xenophobe is someone who fears strangers or those who are different from oneself. I suppose an idealogical xenophobe is one who fears those who hold different idealogies? How does that equate to an "egocentric brain-sharing halfwit"? By that definition, any two people who disagree are egocentric brain-sharing halfwits. I like WoW. You don't, you egocentric brain-sharing halfwit. (Whose brain are we sharing, anyway?)

Or, for that matter, how does your opinion of a game (however "critically crafted" that opinion may be) rise to the level of an ideology? And upon what do you base your supposition that anyone fears your opinion? Is it not equally likely that at least some of us are simply tired of the same. old. repetitive. arguments. cluttering up every thread in which the letters "W" and "O" appear?

You are clearly a man who values his own opinion, so you certainly do not require my approval. But I will leave you with this: when you resort to trotting out the"Nazi" comparisons to win an argument, you will lose a thinking audience. But then, maybe that's exactly what you want.



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Posted: Dec 1st 2011 12:13AM NeverDeath said

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"I suppose an idealogical xenophobe is one who fears those who hold different idealogies? How does that equate to an "egocentric brain-sharing halfwit"? By that definition, any two people who disagree are egocentric brain-sharing halfwits."

Very good, detective! That is exactly what those two words, spoken in tandem, mean. If they are not afraid of a person who disagrees with them, why do they wish me to be silenced, or to stifle myself for their own personal inability to cope with difference? I did not disallow their voicing their opinions in chorus. That is the difference you fail to grasp, is that I embrace difference, and they fear it. I did not tell them to post X nor Y, but I won't roll over and change my opinions simply because it would suit "ideological xenophobes".

"(Whose brain are we sharing, anyway?)"

That of one another, apparently. Either you think I have the right to post my opinions just as you and they (for whatever distinction may exist between said two parties) are allowed to do, or you believe that I should conform and become assimilated, else I should cease to speak - for the reason of course, of difference. So which is it?

"Or, for that matter, how does your opinion of a game (however "critically crafted" that opinion may be) rise to the level of an ideology? And upon what do you base your supposition that anyone fears your opinion?"

It reflects my beliefs, and is therefore an ideology. Obviously, I was using exaggerated synonyms for comical effect, as you originally alluded to but have since apparently forgotten. If not fear, then why the attempts to silence me, by those who insist that I have no right to state my opinion on the internet, in a public forum and within a thread where discussion about WoW is relevant - all of course, as they proceed (and proceed, and proceed) to voice their own?

"You are clearly a man who values his own opinion, so you certainly do not require my approval. But I will leave you with this: when you resort to trotting out the"Nazi" comparisons to win an argument, you will lose a thinking audience. But then, maybe that's exactly what you want."

It is made abundantly clear that a "thinking audience" was never afforded me in this thread, as evidenced by your own inability to admit that anyone who wishes that those who oppose them should have no right to do so, is more than a few steps on the road to a fascist mindset. Obviously, I do not believe any of these people to be Stalin himself, or an actual Nazi. They are examples of the same type of fascist extremism that would and did rob people of their rights, much like the trolls here have stated they believe should be acceptable in regard to my right to free thought and speech. Obviously, nothing they say will ever inhibit my right to say what I want, whenever I want, to whomever I want - but the idea that they suggest I shouldn't simply because they (in chorus, like a group of hypnotized zombies) disagree with it just shows me what kind of people they are: The fearful kind.
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Posted: Nov 29th 2011 3:07PM Utakata said

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...yet another raid or die patch. /shrug

Posted: Nov 29th 2011 3:31PM Utakata said

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@Utakata

And yeah...I really feel like I'm beating a dead horse with that. :(

Hopefully MoP will offer true progressing alternatives to raiding after a couple of it's patches. Then when I'm not tied up in doing something else...I might return to the game. /shrug
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Posted: Nov 30th 2011 12:35AM (Unverified) said

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@Utakata Oh I dunno. A couple new casual friendly things even you have to admit. Darkmoon Faire, and transmog should add a lot of things for folks to do who don't love raiding only. And to help inspire a bit of what you may be able to do in the transmog system, check out:

http://wowroleplaygear.com/
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Posted: Nov 30th 2011 12:44PM Utakata said

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Those are nice and dandy, but as I keep pointing out you can't access tier gear or equivelant threw doing either of those. This is not a way to truely progress your character. Instead they are merely fluff to keep the player active while they're not raiding.

...and oh, I am not a casual player. Least not when I was playing WoW. I spent far to long playing it per day to ever fit that definition.
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Posted: Nov 29th 2011 3:58PM mikejr said

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4.3 is a few months too late, and with Pandas now looming on the horizon WoW is in for some dark times.

Think of it... legions of strobe-lit button mashers seeking refuge in other games, bringing their community and general angst with them.

No, it's in all of our best interest for WoW not to fail, it holds a very important place in the MMO ecosystem.

Posted: Nov 29th 2011 5:47PM smartstep said

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@mikejr

Well ex-WoW players can migrate to LoL (they already are there), upcoming Dota2, mmofps games, and all other not-mmorpg games that are out there.

As I am mostly interested in mmorpg's (and single player games ) they can go invade other non-rpg mmos and all other kind of games for all I care.

WoW stalled genre for too long. It is risky but it needs to die.
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Posted: Nov 29th 2011 6:36PM Hurbster said

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@smartstep

I feel it's not really WoW's fault no-one else has taken the genre forward though.

Having (like many others) participated in the Star Ward beta this last weekend it looks like no-one will be breaking the mould for a while yet.

Maybe Blizz will have to break it themselves, who knows ?
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