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Posted: Nov 29th 2011 11:43AM EuchridEucrow said

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They seem to really be tap dancing to try and keep up with recent MMO trends.

Posted: Nov 29th 2011 12:07PM (Unverified) said

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@EuchridEucrow

Yes, because God knows, Blizzard has a lot to prove. :P

If you are referring to the raid finder, I believe Blizz was one of the first (the first?) to have a dungeon finder or am I missing something?
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Posted: Nov 29th 2011 12:47PM (Unverified) said

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@(Unverified) You're correct. As much as people point to that being a negative it was a huge, huge advancement for the genre as far as quickening progression. Why people still want to stand around and assemble groups, get to the dungeon only to have someone drop, return to town to re-recruit, or re-recruit because people drop midway is beyond me.

If anyone truly thinks the "old" system was somehow superior it's still in the game for them to pursue. No one does it anymore outside of achievement runs because it is a giant pain in the rear.
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Posted: Nov 29th 2011 7:56PM Laephis said

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When given a choice, people will take the easier path even if it's a long-term negative thing. In this case, using the Dungeon Finder makes it ridiculously easy to form a group, but it comes at the cost of server community. Instead of making friends outside my guild, I'm forced to play with strangers, people I will never see ever again. Relationships in WoW used to matter, now you're just a shallow dungeon runner parked in capital city.

This is one of the reasons I will never go back to WoW, the heart and soul of the game was killed in the name of convenience.
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Posted: Nov 29th 2011 11:41PM (Unverified) said

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The random dungeon finder was one of the worse things that ever happened to the community. It allowed players to go in and act like total jerks, some never even doing anything but putting another player on follow. People also stopped enchanting and gemming their gear. If they got booted from the group, they then went on the forums to whine about how they were unfairly kicked and how bad guild groups treated people so Blizzard would just up the cooldown on the ability to kick people thus making the jerks even worse.

It used to be that a players reputation mattered. It was not difficult to find a group pre-RDF. The only people who found it difficult to do so were the ones who had the reputation for not holding carrying their weight in the group. Those who did have left. It's one of the reason's so many servers are ghostowns.
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Posted: Nov 29th 2011 12:01PM Ceridith said

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Kung-Fu Pandas.

Posted: Nov 29th 2011 12:10PM MMOaddict said

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Yay, finally a WoW patch. So glad to play this for the next month until SWTOR launches, although after playing SWTOR beta, I'm sure I'll be back in WoW after at least 2 months. Until The Secret World and GW2 hit of course, those 2 games are going to blow the socks off this whole genre, you just wait and see. And I'm not one to usually tout such things but I have a good feeling about these 2 up and coming contenders. Good to know WoW will always be there for the inbetween moments to hold me over.

Posted: Nov 29th 2011 12:19PM Sorithal said

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Meh. At its core, this is just another typical WoW patch that offers the usual addition to end-game content while tossing on some (well-needed) conveniences and a few extra distractions.

Honestly I find it funny how WoW is going to be going from dealing with, well, saving the world multiple times from being completely ruined... to basically moving into Panda land for vacation, where the Horde and Alliance have splash fights and stomp on each other's sand castles.

Posted: Nov 29th 2011 12:33PM Grumms said

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@Sorithal Your last paragraph made me seriously laugh out loud at work.

Thank you.
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Posted: Nov 29th 2011 1:05PM (Unverified) said

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@Sorithal

Obviously that last part would be the new pet battle system.

Stompy uses stomp on sand castle.... It's super effective!
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Posted: Nov 29th 2011 1:25PM Sorithal said

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@Grumms

Lol, you're welcome.

Basically by that last paragraph, I mean that it sounds like this next expansion will go from saving the world from nearly being destroyed several times (Vanilla stuff, Burning Crusade, Lich King, Cataclysm) to something more like... almost filler content so Blizzard can figure out a good follow-up to Deathwing and the Black Dragonflight (because all they'll really have left is the Burning Legion and whatever remains of the Old Gods).

And I heard that the Horde/Alliance conflict is going to supposedly grow more and be more of the focus this next expansion... but that's what they said about Cataclysm. And really, nothing will really put the "War" back in Warcraft unless Alliance/Horde players can make a significant in-game impact that isn't scripted through a quest or instance or other such encounter. That requires PvP pretty much, but Blizzard seems scared to encourage meaningful PvP outside of their little sandbox zones or instances.
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Posted: Nov 29th 2011 1:55PM Archintyeron said

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@Sorithal Don't piss off the Pandas. They may plot about world domination because of this...
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Posted: Nov 29th 2011 1:06PM Ehra said

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I think it's hilarious how underwhelming their trailer is for this patch. ESPECIALLY compared to the fantastic fan version.

Original:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yz4ebjZCPg

Fan remake:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLqxJlGZXXA


Really now, Blizzard.

Posted: Nov 29th 2011 1:41PM Amlin said

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@Ehra

I just watched that, that is just embarrassing. One person does a better job than a team.
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Posted: Nov 29th 2011 2:11PM Dalano said

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@Ehra

Just goes to show how little of the talented production staff and dev team from mere years ago is left. Forget B-team, this is D-team stuff.

Titan better rock to make up for this drek.
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Posted: Nov 29th 2011 2:13PM fallwind said

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@Ehra daaaaaaaamn.
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Posted: Nov 29th 2011 2:58PM drunkingamebar said

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@Ehra Amazing!

Blizzard video: Meh, reminded me why I don't play anymore.

Fan made video: Gave me the chills twice.

Stats on both videos just prove how out of touch Blizzard is with it's fans. They can only blame themselves for losing subscriptions. If they don't care anymore, why should anyone else?
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Posted: Nov 29th 2011 6:38PM (Unverified) said

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@Ehra Fan video shows what putting some decent VO does :)
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Posted: Nov 29th 2011 2:23PM NeverDeath said

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So tempted to NEVER resub. Blizzard enables vanity slots, something every other AAA title and even plenty of F2P/foreign titles have long since implemented, more content which will undoubtedly be easy but will nevertheless be nerfed repeatedly until it beats itself, more class changes that will no doubt further homogenize the classes, and the world draws one step nearer to its World of Pandacraft expansion where things go from bad to worse, and they stop trying to appease impatient teenagers and focus more on the toddler crowd.

No thanks. With Guild Wars 2 and SWTOR, there are two quality titles to appease both fantasy and sci-fi fans on the near horizon, with more coming after them. Of course World of Warcraft will survive, it is like a cockroach that skitters across the nuclear wasteland that is the oversaturated MMO market - but survival is not triumph, is not prosperity. It is eroding. and each developmental misstep brings it closer to its inevitable decline. It is big, so it will take time, but the erosion has begun nevertheless. The future of MMOs will focus on things that WoW does not support, such as the turn towards more action-oriented combat. The WoW-kiddies are getting older, too. There will come a time when they are also bored of tab-target 1-2-3, and other games will be there to catch them when they defect and fall. Fortunately for Blizzard, there aren't many (if any) such quality titles on the market at the moment - but how long do you really think that will last? Do people really think no one will ever make a bigger, better and more hands-on, dynamic MMO than WoW?

It's already the jack of all trades and the master of jack shit, and if it can survive for so long with that title, how can people not believe it will eventually be destroyed when an MMO comes out that is driven by a company which strives to excel and to exceed accepted standards, and to innovate? It's going to happen, someone is going to do it, and as there is already a game in every aspect which beats WoW at anything it does, the only thing left is for a game to beat it at enough of them without neglecting other aspects, and it will triumph. A lot of people who play WoW are somewhat tired of it, but its familiarity and production quality, the fact that their friends play it, and other such variables that have nothing to do with gameplay, keep them returning. Make no mistake, gameplay is king, and WoW lacks it in spades. It's just waiting to be decapitated, by legions of eager executioners. Most of them hold butterknives currently, but just wait until they get ahold of some axes...

Posted: Nov 29th 2011 2:49PM Archintyeron said

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@NeverDeath
You're right, WoW is declining, and another MMO will take it's place. That's why Blizzard is making Titan.
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