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Posted: Nov 29th 2011 1:09PM (Unverified) said

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@Budukahn

I agree that these are all valid concerns, and that there's a lot that EA is riding on in terms of if the game will be successful or not. However, none of what you said has relevance with Kotick's statement. According to Kotick, he can't see what EA has to gain PERIOD. So, assuming your concerns turn out to not be a worry and SWTOR gets 2 million subs. Kotick's point is that EA still won't make any money because Lucas will be taking it all, and THAT is completely and utterly ridiculous no matter what kind of knowledge he may have about running a AAA MMO.
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Posted: Nov 29th 2011 1:47PM Lucidus said

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@Budukahn We know nothing on what they plan for updates, and how frequent those updates are. This might help or harm their retention efforts.

As it is, getting to 50 and looking around... there isn't much to do. Gear grind? The nighttime Hoth-like pvp planet? Bleh. And rerolling becomes a chore when you realize just how many quests are common to all classes/factions.
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Posted: Nov 29th 2011 12:32PM Lucidus said

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I don't think SWTOR is all that great as an MMO (shoulda been a SPRPG) but Kotick can go to hell. The bottom level.

Posted: Nov 29th 2011 12:33PM (Unverified) said

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Kotick is a dingle berry.

Posted: Nov 29th 2011 12:35PM Grumms said

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@(Unverified) I question your IQ.

He's clearly trying to shutdown the hype on SWTOR. If you honestly think this game won't profit, you're just an idiot.

Posted: Nov 29th 2011 12:36PM silver001 said

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@(Unverified) I agree to some degree, but lets be realistic here. There is some motive behind him saying something like that, there always is. I don't see Kotick as a guy that randomly gives good advise. I do think he is right though, EA must be playing LA a big bucket of MONEEE.

Posted: Nov 29th 2011 12:41PM Khal said

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@(Unverified)

Just because he is the talking figurehead doesn't mean he knows the numbers. Indeed he has a slew of people under him whose job it is to figure those numbers. THAT SAID there is no guarantee that he listens to them OR that they even provided speculation on this specific instance to him.

His role is to scare people (be they regular consumers or through investors) away from the competition. Part of doing that is by making off the wall statements like this.

Think about it: If you are so hey willy eager to accept what he says because "he's a CEO" then don't you think the "CEO" of EA knows just as much and would make a deal that was favorable to HIS company?

Gotta stop being fed only one side and thinking about only that one side's view. There are always multiple sides/views.

Posted: Nov 29th 2011 12:44PM Space Cobra said

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@silver001

I agree. I mean, let's look at the history of Star Wars and George Lucas' rights to it: He was the first to corner all merchandising rights for a movie when studios didn't think it would be worth it and he got a big cut in the box-office grosses, too.

Of *course* Lucas/LucasArts is getting the better end of the "stick", but the other end of the stick ain't half-bad. Lucas may get the lion's share in marketing fees, but EA/Bioware will still profit from it. It's just "sour grapes" on Kotick's part. He strikes me as someone who would want most/all the money instead of a half/half partnership of profit division (or whatever amount that favors the owner of the IP).

This comment is pretty much like Kim Kardashin saying that Paris Hilton wore a frumpy dress to an event.

Posted: Nov 29th 2011 12:45PM (Unverified) said

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@(Unverified)

That's like saying your congressmen knows what's good for the country just because he's a congressmen.

We all know that's not true.

Posted: Nov 29th 2011 12:45PM Yog said

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Why are you hating on the man guys? Did you read the article? He's not dissing on SWTOR or EA, he's saying he's not sure if EA will make money with George Lucas siphoning off a chunk of cash because it's his IP. Keep in mind none of us know how much Lucas expects from games while Kotick does.

Posted: Nov 29th 2011 12:47PM TheRealStupid said

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"If you look at the history of the people investing in an MMO and achieving success, it's a small number."

That really depends on how you define "success". If you mean getting 10M+ subscribers, then yes, you're correct. By that definition, you can count the number of successful MMO products on one hand.

If, on the other hand, you mean "profitable", then you would be completely and utterly wrong. Even "failed" MMOs like WAR and AoC are profitable. Free-to-play MMOs are profitable. Maybe they aren't money printing machines allowing their CEO to bring home $10M plus benefits, but the developers of little fringe MMO products like Wizard 101, Puzzle Pirates and even Free Realms... those guys aren't exactly living in a cardboard box down by the river and wishing they had never started working on an MMO.

Just because a movie isn't a blockbuster, doesn't mean it sucks.

Posted: Nov 29th 2011 12:53PM Viiral said

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They just jealous-.

Posted: Nov 29th 2011 12:56PM myhumps said

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He looks really happy in that picture. Almost too happy.

Posted: Nov 29th 2011 2:43PM Macabre 13 said

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@myhumps

If I made the kind of money he does, I'd have that same smile from ear to ear 24/7, lol.
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Posted: Nov 29th 2011 1:01PM (Unverified) said

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Anyone who thinks the Star Wars name is enough to make TOR successful needs to go take a look at how Star Wars Galaxies turned out. The SW name alone isn't enough to ensure huge success. If Sony was making enough profit off of SWG, it wouldn't be shutting down next month. SWG was a failure pure & simple.

Kotick is a gigantic d-bag tho. gigantic. But EA & Activision are BOTH two of the most evil & predatory companies out there. Some of the things those two companies have done is despicable. But! SW fanboys need to chill the hell out. SWTOR is a well built game but 100% derivative and void of any originality whatsoever. I'm a gigatntic Bioware fanboy & even I can see that Bioware basically took *everything* out of the Blizzard playbook when building TOR. They did a great job with it--it's not crap by any means. But it's still not the fresh new thing that a lot of folks expect it to be.

TL;DR: If you feel WoW is dated & old (which I don't), you'll probably feel the same way about SWToR. And EA & Activision are both freakin' evil companies. Worse than Micro$oft even (/shudder...)

Posted: Nov 29th 2011 1:22PM wahahabuh said

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@(Unverified) pretty sure SWG was reasonably profitable and was actually shut down by LA because they don't want people playing two different SW MMOs
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Posted: Nov 29th 2011 1:28PM (Unverified) said

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@(Unverified)

You mean the game that was bleeding subscribers but managed to still be somewhat profitable for 9 years?

And the reason it's shutting down is because LucasArts said to.
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Posted: Nov 29th 2011 4:59PM TheClaw said

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@(Unverified) : the game wasn't "shut down by Lucasarts". It was shut down because it was no longer sufficiently profitable for it to be worthwhile for Sony to renew the licensing agreement with Lucasarts.

If Sony was making enough profit off of SWG, they WOULD have renewed the license, and it WOULDN'T be shutting down next month.
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Posted: Nov 29th 2011 5:12PM EuchridEucrow said

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@TheClaw

No, Lucas Arts pulled the licensing. The information on that was posted on this website in the wake of the shutdown announcement months ago.
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Posted: Nov 29th 2011 8:35PM (Unverified) said

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@TheClaw

Sure, that's why SOE was continuing to support SWG, even adding atmospheric flight and air-ground combat over the last few months. Uh huh.

/eyeroll

If you don't see LA's greedy fingers all over the death of SWG, you must be blinded by saberlight. As noted above, LA "declined to extend" the license to SWG and - here's a shocker! - the game is shutting down the week before TOR launches.

That is exactly why this SW fan will never, ever play TOR or any other LA game.
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