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Posted: Nov 24th 2011 4:06PM Rocket Raccoon said

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@Lucidus

Yeah, that's exactly what I've learned to do. I didn't even know what "Hero+2" meant at first. Then I found out it meant "Oh, I just got my ass kicked".

Now I do all the other quests and save the elite ones for last which is not really a problem for me at all. Thanks for the advice, though! It would have been helpful if I'd not known and might still help others :D
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Posted: Nov 24th 2011 1:44PM Rayko said

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@Rayko

Ok that wasn't nice I admit but MMOs about a specific IP are like Highlander Immortals...

Posted: Nov 24th 2011 2:10PM Space Cobra said

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That looks like a young George Lucas in that header-pic...

...looking at what he has become (a two-headed corporate entity)!

Abstract art : It's what *you* see in it! ;P

Posted: Nov 24th 2011 2:15PM JayDay said

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I have Batman Arkham City to get through in the meantime. :)

Posted: Nov 24th 2011 2:20PM (Unverified) said

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For those into the story / lore buffs - I definitely recommend reading all the written lore revolving around the game, as well as playing through KOTOR 1 and 2.

I've read all the books and comics along with re-playing those games, and it just help immensely in feeling a part of the world, since many game characters have already been introduced through previous books, comics, etc.

Posted: Nov 24th 2011 2:38PM Lenn said

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@Rayko They get increasingly worse sequels until the original is wiped from everyone's memory?

Posted: Nov 24th 2011 2:43PM Rayko said

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@Lenn

Ha!

Posted: Nov 24th 2011 3:14PM (Unverified) said

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1) keep playing other games cuz TOR sucks

check.

Posted: Nov 24th 2011 3:41PM randomepicperson said

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If they had put the art book in the CE and not the stupid statue, i would get it. And I know that a lot of other people would too. Silly Bioware.

Posted: Nov 24th 2011 3:46PM Dunraven said

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"At the very least, SWTOR players should be respectful to SWG vets at this time and perhaps extend an inviting hand to come over to a new game world."


Uhh I'm sorry no, I refuse to respect a group of people best known for their Pedo guilds and this Nutjob, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWb3cxA4g_U ) not to mention that old fat freak who use to dress up as a clown and threaten to blow up SOE.

The only thing the SWG community is known for is attracting more nutters than the Manson family; even the Bioware devs I talked to at Gamescom said they didn't want that crap anywhere near their game.

Posted: Nov 24th 2011 3:51PM slickie said

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@Dunraven I've never heard of any of these nuts and I played SWG for two years. I made a lot of friends.

If all it takes is a few loons for you to look down on an entire community, you must hate everything - every other MMO's population, your co-workers, your classmates, your family. It must be a very lonely life, but at least you can still troll on Massively.
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Posted: Nov 24th 2011 6:46PM EuchridEucrow said

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@Dunraven

" and this Nutjob, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWb3cxA4g_U "

Holy Melanoma Batman! I hope she has a good dermatologist.
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Posted: Nov 24th 2011 7:59PM Dunraven said

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@slickie Sorry even Adam Sessler called the SWG community the Lunatic Fringe, and suggested that the community’s extremism didn't help when Lucasarts was making their minds up about Closing SWG.

Most actual Star Wars fans left that game when Raph Koster said that they weren’t making a MMO for Star wars fans they were making a MMO for MMO fans. The vast majority of the SWG player base was Sandboxers and ERP players I'm not saying every player was like that but yeah the vast majority was. Sorry if you think I’m trolling but I am not the first person who has said this about the SWG community and I won’t be the last.
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Posted: Nov 24th 2011 5:53PM Rayko said

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Delete my posts all you want. SWG still sucks=)

Posted: Nov 24th 2011 8:47PM (Unverified) said

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@Rayko

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So?
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Posted: Nov 24th 2011 5:59PM Rayko said

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;)

Posted: Nov 24th 2011 6:04PM real65rcncom said

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10. Watch the movies (but only the original ones)

If this is a valid tip, then I would suggest reading some OTHER novels from the Star Wars timeline before Luke Skywalker as well that have to do with the SITH side, not just the Jedis.

There is a pretty good story series called "Lost Tribe of the Sith" which has several books that can be gotten for absolutely free on Barnes and Noble (probably elsewhere too) that deals with a Sith ship that crash lands on an unfamiliar planet and how they survive (without having any Jedis to kill lol).

It gives an excellent insight into Sith family structure and is ALL ToR material, meaning happening long before anyone heard of Darth Vader.

here is a link that can give you a TLDR of it:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lost_Tribe_of_the_Sith:_Precipice

Posted: Nov 24th 2011 6:15PM LuxAurumque said

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I reloaded KOTOR 2 and tried to play it like suggested but got bored quickly. It shows it's age badly. I only played 10 minutes and already had to stop. If anything trying to play KOTOR would have dampened my enthusiasm for the launch of SWTOR if I had not been in the beta! I guess some games just don't age well.

Posted: Nov 24th 2011 7:49PM (Unverified) said

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The hardest thing about playing and enjoying TOR is going to be all the OT purists who love nothing more than to talk about how much the prequels, The Clone Wars, and the expanded universe suck.

It's so ridiculous. Tell me Justin, why do you feel the need to force your opinion down my throat? Why couldn't you just leave it at "Watch the movies" and leave it to me to decide which ones? If I don't like the prequels, do you think I'm going to watch them just because you said to do so, then come back and bitch about how you didn't specify?

It's not that I'm not OK with you having your own opinion. You don't appreciate the prequels and that's fine. Honestly, what you said wasn't all that terrible in and of itself. But given how prevalent the venom is towards the prequels, and worse, the fans who enjoy them, it's kind of in bad taste.

If you call yourself a Star Wars fan, you ought to be conscious of how huge the universe is, and that there are bound to be things different fans like and dislike. To call out any one aspect of the universe as bad just alienates a portion of your fellow fans, and splitting a community over matters of taste is stupid.

I like a lot of people who dislike the prequels, but if every time Star Wars comes up those people feel the need to express hatred of something I like, it's going to be awfully hard to enjoy their company, especially in a Star Wars MMO.

It's not about the fact that people dislike the prequels, it's about how pop culture has put the idea into these people's minds that they are "right" and the people who enjoy the prequels are "wrong." We're constantly told we're not real Star Wars fans, that the prequels aren't real Star Wars, and that we just don't get it.

Look, at the end of the day, I agree that The Phantom Menace isn't very enjoyable to me. I found Episode 2 mediocre in relation to the other movies. But Episode 3 is, to me, the best of the entire set. If I order the movies from best to worst, I feel its 3, 5, 4, 2, 6, 1. That means for me, the series as a whole has a roughly consistent quality.

All that is in relation to each other though. Just by virtue of being Star Wars, I love these movies because of their lore and the world they bring to life. I may not love that we spent so much time in Anakin's youth, but Anakin's story is awesome. Consider TCW and Episode 3, and Anakin is my favorite Star Wars character.

And people feel justified to act as if I'm wrong? As if a matter of taste makes me somehow a lesser fan? Star Wars is a part of who I am. I grew up on it, and it has influenced me in all my creative growth. It's the only fictional thing I would ever consider tattooing onto my body. So I don't appreciate being treated like a slobbering idiot or second class fan just because I enjoyed something that's more popular to hate.

Seriously, I love Star Wars, and for the most part, I love the Star Wars community. However, I find that I end up being driven away from Star Wars message boards and such because more often than not there are more threads about talking about hating various aspects of Star Wars than there are about discussing Star Wars lore, or at least what you enjoy about it.

I posted for some time on the TOR Star Wars Discussion forum this summer, and had a good time. Gradually as the summer waned, fewer and fewer fun, lore based topics showed up, and more and more hateful "Justify why you like the prequels to me, even though I've already decided you're an idiot if you do" or "What do you hate most about Star Wars?" threads popped up. Then, they announced the Bluray changes, and I had to leave, because the forum devolved into a venom pit over some trivial changes that shouldn't be such a big deal.

Honestly, I can understand not liking those changes. They're messing with something you love, I get it. But do we REALLY need to respond by turning the community into an unbearable cesspit of hatred? Is that the only way forum denizens know how to deal with something they don't like?

So please, if you plan to play TOR, and have those types of opinions, keep them to yourself. Other fans don't need your help deciding what to like or dislike.

I'm sure most of the people who actually consider themselves better than others based on matters of taste are to immature to care whether they are ruining someone else's experience. However, I think that Justin's comment, like many of these comments, are made out of the perception that it's an in joke among the community and we stand solidly together in our hatred of the prequels. I'm sure Justin and many like him don't realize that saying things like that has the opposite effect on many fans. It makes us feel like targets of spite and ostracization.

At the end of the day, things like what Justin said aren't so bad on their own, it's just that I can't seem to get through any Star Wars community without running into things like it at every turn, and it get's very old. Think about if every time you went to a music store you got laughed at for your selection. How enjoyable would that experience be?

So please, if you're going to be a part of this community, try to remember that no matter how popular it seems to be to make fun of aspects of the Star Wars universe, you're probably making fun of someone's favorite part, and that's never fun for them. Specifically, Justin, please remember you are writing for a mass audience, and not everyone shares your opinions on what makes a good Star Wars movie.

Posted: Nov 24th 2011 10:15PM Lucidus said

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@(Unverified) Better than ESB? ESB is the holy grail of "second act " movies which are incredibly hard to pull off.
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