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Posted: Nov 21st 2011 5:05PM real65rcncom said

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ToR will do well.

Blizzard will bounce back.

Everyone else will suffer.

World will still turn.

Posted: Nov 21st 2011 6:25PM (Unverified) said

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I had a great time playing in the SWToR Beta test. I was surprised how much I liked the open world pvp on Ilum as well as pvping in the Warzones.

However, Star Wars is a turn off for a lot of people. Fantasy tends to outsell Scifi by a huge margin. WoW will loose a few, but I think the game will still be going strong.
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Posted: Nov 21st 2011 6:54PM real65rcncom said

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It's far to early to tell how many people will be turned off by Star Wars. If we are going off of the franchise, you'd be wrong all day. There are more people who heard of and like Star Wars as a franchise than Blizzard or World of Warcraft.

That said, will EA be able to put on a massive publicity blitz the likes of which have never been seen in an effort to attract and successfully retain NEW mmo players, which seem to be their goal instead of "hand me down seconds" mmo players?

We'll find out six months from now, but not realizing that Star Wars with it's intentional scale down of requirements to play (like WoW did) is an effort to get brand new people rather than castoffs from other titles is a mistake I think many critics aren't taking into account.

ToR wants brand new players, not old players and that's why the game was made this way.
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Posted: Nov 21st 2011 7:04PM DarkWalker said

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Of course, Star Wars is Fantasy Scifi. You have knights, sorcerers, princesses, dragons, sword fights, and lots of other staples of the Fantasy genre.
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Posted: Nov 21st 2011 7:12PM (Unverified) said

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Yeah, but here's the thing. If you are not already a gamer and familiar with KotOR, this game is not the SW mmo you are looking for. Sure, there are tons of "virgin" Star Wars fans that EA could conceivably introduce to MMO gaming through TOR, but if all they know of SW is from the films, I suspect they are going to be a tad disenchanted from the get-go. Luke, Leia, Han, Chewie, Vader, etc. - these are what the film fans know and love, not some "old republic" where everyone is running around with lightsticks.
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Posted: Nov 21st 2011 7:27PM KvanCetre said

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I dunno, I just tested this on someone who doesnt play mmos at all but knows the movies. Said he'd rather play a game with jedi vs sith influence than a game where some people play farmers but can meet Han without a voice.
Ok ok, so I may have not been cheating the results...
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Posted: Nov 21st 2011 7:55PM TexRob said

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@real65rcncom I agree mostly. I think WoW will continue to lose players, accelerated at least somewhat by TOR, but it's natural for a game to lose players after 7 years, regardless of Pandas. Now the big question is, what is next. Blizzard thinks big, and the project name for their next MMO is called Titan, so I don't think they will let the gaming world down.
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Posted: Nov 21st 2011 9:09PM real65rcncom said

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Possibly, interesting point.

One thing I know for sure is it depends on which "films" you're talking about. Someone from the 80's films who's never played a mmo isn't likely to run out and get ToR.

I tend to think the reverse is true for a lot of younger people who watched the SW films recently. The ones who play mmos.. probably not because they have different mmos to compare with.

But the ones who have never played mmos are probably going to like ToR if they give it a chance as a first mmo. As said, specs are easy to run so laptops will not be taxed for students. The key thing about ToR (as vet gamers seem to lament) is story. The lore and story is what brought all those new viewers to the movies in the first place to see Anakin and young Obi Wan.

Since story/lore are the overriding feature of ToR, those players will be hooked from Day 1. The gameplay will be just their speed having never played WoW or any other game. The world is huge later on and the characters diverse so they can be what they like.

imo, most of the people looking at Espisode 1 and those movies would probably go nuts over ToR; older gamers and older fans of the Mark Hamill era.. not so much.
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Posted: Nov 22nd 2011 1:18AM Graill440 said

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Until December 2012....sad panda.
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Posted: Nov 22nd 2011 1:54PM JayDay said

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More than likely. I still love the photo. :D
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Posted: Nov 22nd 2011 8:17PM (Unverified) said

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@real65rcncom Actually WoW isn't doing well technically. When Rift came out and a month later WoW lost 600k subs, Blizzard said "it happends they'll come back". Well they didn't, in fact the bleeding continued.

After hitting 12 million subs when Wrath released in china early this year, they have since lost 1.7 million subs. To put in perspective, that's approx average of $25.5 million lost revenue per month.

Blizzard didn't bother listening to players or adding significant content, instead relying soley on the Warcraft brand name to keep people. Now they are seeing it come back to bite them. Will WoW die? No, because every mmo will always have a foundation of players that will never quit playing. EQ1 after all is still up and running after 12 years. When SWTOR hits the sub bleeding will continue and not stop once GW2 hits either.

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Posted: Nov 22nd 2011 8:57PM real65rcncom said

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"Actually WoW isn't doing well technically. "
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This wasn't my statement nor my claim.

My statement was "Blizzard will bounce back". WoW isn't a company, it's a game.

Blizzard is a company and THAT stock got downgraded which will bounce back. You are inventing your own point to defend which hasn't been stated.
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Posted: Nov 21st 2011 5:07PM Cavadus said

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Yeah, once they actually play TOR they'll quickly realize it's going to bomb. TOR has good initial box sales and a 2-3 month window after launch to make money.

Six months in and TOR will be pretty barren; it's going to be absolutely crucified in reviews and on MMO discussion sites.

Now's the time to buy Blizzard, apparently.

Posted: Nov 21st 2011 5:21PM Lenn said

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@Cavadus Well, hello there, Mr Kotick!
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Posted: Nov 21st 2011 5:21PM edgecrusherO0 said

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And why exactly do you say this? I'm curious as to what kind of information leads you to this conclusion.

FYI I'm not a SWToR fanboi, I'm not even interested in the damn game, but that kind of claim is pretty bold.
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Posted: Nov 21st 2011 5:48PM edgecrusherO0 said

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If anything, that bodes very well for it. It's very similar, you're right, but that can be a very good thing. If Call of Duty has taught us anything, it's that similar can be good.

It's damn close to being a clone, but at the same time it's shiny (impressive graphics, I don't care for the art style but the graphics are good) and it offers enough different things (genre, some slight combat changes, more emphasis on story ect.) that it will appeal to many who are burned out on WoW but not looking for a dramatic break from that style of gameplay.
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Posted: Nov 21st 2011 5:53PM Fabius Bile said

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even IF (and thats a big IF) SWToR bombed WoW would still be in free fall

Blizzard has commited suicide with the kung fu pandas
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Posted: Nov 21st 2011 5:55PM sortius said

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@edgecrusherO0 It's just FUD being spread by a WoW fanboy.

Having actually played the game, not just making thing up, SWTOR is a serious threat to WoW's player base. While it may not affect revenue, it will definitely affect subscriptions (remember, WoW are really pushing in-game item sales these days).

Recent reports do show that subscriber base has little to no reflection on actual revenue these days when it comes to WoW. They lost 1m players but revenue went up.

I do feel they will feel the pinch once players have to choose "do I play WoW endgame or SWTOR endgame content", which really won't kick in until a month or two after launch. All I can say is watch this space.
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Posted: Nov 21st 2011 6:07PM DiscordSK said

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And yet, having played ToR the last two beta weekends... and eagerly awaiting the third... I love the game, can't wait for it to launch even though I'm completely burned out when it comes to WoW and have been so for years.

Just goes to show how wrong you are.
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Posted: Nov 21st 2011 6:24PM Distaste said

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Having played SWTOR to 50...he is 100% correct at least in my opinion. You don't see it because you don't get passed the first few planets but it is there. You see the first few planets are class story heavy and the class story is reasonably good, thus the "amazing" reviews by weekend testers. However once you reach later planets(30+) your class story is only 10% of your quests and the rest are all filler quests or the occasionally decent planet story. The filler gets old quickly, most people spacebar through them. That is when the WoW quest grind feeling rears up and bites you in the butt.

If you you're bored of WoW but like the story or bored of WoW and hate the story you still won't be playing this game more than say 3-4 months. The only way I see people making it passed there is if they aren't bored of WoW(themepark MMO's) OR go into fanboy denial where it is the absolute best game ever! Just like Dragon Age 2!
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