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Posted: Nov 14th 2011 6:20PM oxlar said

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@Bhima

You honestly think this world would be nearly as advanced in technology, life saving medical proceedures, and high standards of living without capitalism thriving in a republic form of government?

By the way, where did Einstien end up living? Thats right, he renounced his citizenship and became an American in 1940.

Up to a point, greed is good. The retainment of personal gain through your own hard work is a fundamental principal in capitalism. And a certain level of greed is the basic driving force behind this. You want more. You work more. You get more. Go back and ask many imigrants from middle and eastern europe about the differences. They will tell you. Capitalism has done more for class equality around the world than any other force in the history of this planet. And like it or not, greed is a component of that.
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Posted: Nov 14th 2011 1:40PM real65rcncom said

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Man, when they finally classify this as a "disease" like other addictions, there's going to be tons of money made in treatment.

But until then, if you have a gaming "addiction" and you also like to drink a lot of alcohol or do drugs while you play, you're better off claiming you had a drug/alcohol problem so it can be paid for and you don't lose insurance or get fired.

If you claim "gaming", you're going to pay yourself.

Posted: Nov 14th 2011 2:20PM Skyydragonn said

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Gaming addiction is no different than an acohol addict who drinks to avoid the depressing aspects of his life. People dont become alcoholics becuase it tastes good, tehy do it to avoid a problem. for gamers and video game "addiction" they allow themselves to be sucked into the game world in order to avoid facing the challenges in thier lives. Same basic principles are identical. mental addiction is mental addiction regardless of the medium used to escape trouble.

Posted: Nov 14th 2011 2:50PM (Unverified) said

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@oxlar

people with an addiction have a choice yes but addiction is a serious thing. most of the time people that are addicted dont realize that they are until either its to later or someone that cares about them force them to see. if you have ever had an addiction then you know what im talking about but if you have never had one then please refrain from saying its not a serious illness because you have no idea what your talking about.

Posted: Nov 14th 2011 3:24PM Yukon Sam said

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Substance abuse isn't a character flaw, or escapism, or losing touch with your higher power. It's a genetic predisposition to biochemical effects on the brain.

Obsessive-compulsive behavior is obsessive-compulsive behavior. The target of the behavior isn't really relevant to the causes and treatment of the illness, and it's a very different phenomenon than being physically addicted to drugs.

Gaming "addiction" is a very profitable undertaking for therapists, but its a deliberate misuse of terminology.

Posted: Nov 14th 2011 3:30PM Dblade said

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@Yukon Sam Addiction has a psychological component as well as a physical one, otherwise anyone who touched a drink would become an alcoholic. If anything the psychological component is stronger for most popular addictions-it really isn't until you withdraw from hard drugs, or something like anti-depressants, where the physical addiction is the problem.

It's not obsessive/compulsive, but addiction-it acts in the same way, based on reward and highs, and people can get hooked on MMOs without any evidence of OCD.
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Posted: Nov 14th 2011 3:25PM oxlar said

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As an ex smoker and someone who OD'd but has to live with life altering effects for the rest of my life, I think I have plenty of basis to form an experienced and educated personal view.

As someone who has developed several auto-immune illnesses including degenerative nerve atrophy, sogrens, severe tinnitus, fibromyalgia etc, I think I have plenty of basis to form an experienced and educated personal view on this.

And there simply is NO comparison between the two. One there is choice. One your just #$%@ed and life sucks FOREVER! So I damn well know what I'm talking about. Do you?!? Maybe. Maybe your experiences are different than mine and your experiences have led you to a different conclusion. But I myself have formed my viewpoints through experience.

Posted: Nov 14th 2011 3:27PM (Unverified) said

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People who have a hard time grasping addiction are usually those who have never had to suffer from it, or if they have, they must think that their one special addiction is different from any other of a number of addictions, and that other people are just addicted because they're weak. Or perhaps even more insidiously, those people railing the most against addictions have their own that they'd rather not admit to themselves about, much less other people.

Certain individuals have personalities that are highly subject to addictive behaviors (thus they're known as addictive personality disorders) and it's not just a matter of them manning up and stopping that activity, because they don't even recognize that as a possibility.

Yes, it's a personal failing on their part, and they need help to overcome it, that's why it's a disability. As much as we'd all like to think we're perfectly self-actualized beings, we're simply not, not even close. I suggest some thorough introspection if you can't bring yourself to at least feel sorry for someone who is ruining their life and needs outside help to break an addictive behavior.

Posted: Nov 14th 2011 3:46PM (Unverified) said

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Who cares? LOL

The reason he plays games all day is because he is lazy and doesnt have a real life. All these people that blame games, saying its an addiction - its BS. They have no friends,no job, no girlfriend, and live with mommy. So OF COURSE they play mmorpgs all day. If mmos didnt exist, then he would be blaming console games or single player pc game. If that wasnt around, he would blame cartoons or television.

Its like when you see a hobo on the street that COULD go to a soup kitchen, shelter or a govet building and receive financial assistance. BUT, they are too lazy to walk 5 blocks to get there.

People like this moron need to get up, TAKE A SHOWER, GET A HAIRCUT and start living your life. Some of these people have serious issues and should be going to a psych to receive help and medication for being bi-polar or depression or whatever. Waste of a column. NOONE CARES about this loser or others. Just look at him! Long dirty hair wearing pajamas all day. You already know before you even read the column that its his fault.

Nerds and losers, dont blame mmorpgs because you have no life and CHOOSE to play all day instead of join the real world

Posted: Nov 14th 2011 5:35PM Seffrid said

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"The report concludes with Oster sharing what he realized after treatment: "I started understanding the concept of balance.""

I wish some class designers did...

Addictions are all the same, and if it hadn't been a computer game it would have been the bottle, the pills, a line of coke or whatever. Addicts need assistance overcoming their addiction but only when they're ready to be assisted, until then it's futile.

Developers don't design their games in order to entrap the vulnerable in a web of addiction, rather they design them in order to encourage their paying customers to stay long-term through more than just a transitory moment of enjoyment. That's the nature of any business, and it works pretty well with a mere handful of extreme cases out of all the millions that play these games.

Posted: Nov 14th 2011 6:00PM HitechLolife said

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@Utakata Try looking under 'psychological addiction'. It's no different to how people can become addicted to gambling, shoplifting etc.

Posted: Nov 14th 2011 6:19PM (Unverified) said

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If the wingnuts start spouting it's the games fault it's the games fault, then this won't help. I hope they keep the wingnuts out of this one. Addiction is addiction not because of what they are addicted to (leaving hardcore drugs out of this analogy of course).

Posted: Nov 15th 2011 12:48AM Yukon Sam said

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It's more closely related to impulse control disorders than to addiction. It's not the games' "fault", nor is it the victims' "fault". It's not a character flaw, it's not laziness, and it's not the Skinner-box nature of unoriginal game design.

It IS a mental illness. But labeling it "addiction" is media-speak. It's a type of impulse control disorder, which belongs to the obsessive-compulsive family of disorders, but is distinct and different than substance abuse and dependence. Calling it an "addiction" just confuses the issue, as physiological addictions have a different treatment profile.

Otherwise we'll have to discuss nail-biting "addiction" and hand-washing "addiction"... and let's not even get into Sunday football "addiction".

Posted: Nov 15th 2011 1:33AM NeverDeath said

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Honestly, I'm going to put this as plainly as possible:

Addiction is exactly 100% equivalent to choice. The only case in which "addiction" is not the person's own fault is when something has chemically addictive properties and they are forced to repeatedly use it, to the point that their body becomes physically dependent upon that substance, which seldom happens against a person's will.

"I'm addicted" is a shit excuse for people to continue self-destructive behaviors, and I do believe that especially in today's world where everyone is a sensitive artist and needs to be coddled or they might off themselves for lack of spinal fortitude, that is is completely and utterly misused - such as in the case of video games. I've played them since I was 3 years old, and am now 26, and have never once let them interfere with important shit going on in my life, or hold me back from doing things I wanted/needed to do.

People use it as an excuse to ignore their spouses/significant others, not complete tasks in a timely fashion, blame it for their lack of social skills with a shoddy ad hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy, and so on. If you don't want to make effort in your life because you're an unmotivated person, that is not the fault of video games, nor does it mean you are addicted to them. If you lack the discipline and self-control to moderate your own leisure activities within a reasonable extent, that is also your own choice, and doesn't mean you are addicted to anything, it just means you're lazy.

There's a disorder for everything, apparently drinking 6 cokes a day and eating greasy foods without working out has become so popular that some deluded imbeciles now even claim that obesity is a "disease". The only disease is that people have others to fall back on and catch their slack, or because of the way they were raised they have no work ethic, or in some rare cases they actually have a mental disorder, but it is by no means applicable to a large percentage of people who use it as a crutch and a convenient excuse, that they are "addicted" to stupid behaviors.

I'm sure we've all had whims that we didn't follow, that we are glad we didn't follow because they would have been wrong. Sometimes in life, I had to eat shit and just let someone get away with disrespecting me, because I didn't want to cause trouble for myself by relocating their face into stellar orbit. Impulse control can be affected by neurological disorders, but they are nowhere near as common as the main proponent of these behaviors: lazy, unmotivated people.

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