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Posted: Nov 14th 2011 3:18PM EdmundDante said

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Yeah and there is no economic victims or wealth inequality - and Neverland exists!

I believe in Peter Pan, I do, I do!!
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Posted: Nov 14th 2011 3:25PM EdmundDante said

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@oxlar Isn't that what the teabags do all the time - blame everything on the government?

As if Wallstreet, the Oil companies, and huge megacorporations being run by greedy mofo CEOs who could care less how much they pay their workers - or enslave them in countries like China? - don't really exist?

Talk about naivete - who is naive here?

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Posted: Nov 14th 2011 3:40PM oxlar said

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@EdmundDante

So people like Chris Gardner are naive? (google him if you don't know who he is).

Unlike the OWS people, I do know what the source is. If you entrust your money to someone who has a fiduciary responsibility to you and is entrusted to be a good steward of your money, and that person hands out your money to people with their hand out who will give them benefits in return, who do you blame?

Do you blame the person who has their hand out, who doesn't have any fiduciary responsibility to you? Or do you blame the person whom you entrusted with your money and does have a fiduciary responsibility to you?

Now ask yourself which one is a business and which one is the govt in the above analogy? It should be pretty obvious. Don't fall victim to this class warfare movement, use some critical thinking skills. The system we currently have isn't even capitalism. Its corporatism or crony capitalism. There is only one way that happens and that is because the govt is NOT better at spending your money than you are. Their loyalties can be bought and are extremely succeptible to corruption. The only logical conlcusion is to give less of your money to those incompetantly managing it until the ties of corruption can be severed.

When democracy (rule by man) instead of republic (rule by law) becomes the mode of government, the govt ends up picking the winners and losers. Thus the guaranteed opportunity given to citizens to make whatever they want out of their lives becomes less and less. More of the same poison is not the cure.

I think the answer to your question is obvious to most people who take the time to actually think about things.
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Posted: Nov 14th 2011 4:02PM EdmundDante said

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@oxlar Go had Oxlar - go live on the North Pole - see how long you will survive without CIVILIZATION.

You know - WE THE PEOPLE - CIVILIZATION - that so many have forgotten because of their self-serving greed.

Who want to live in their own ideological delusion that there is no economic exploitation - and that if we let corporations do whatever they want - everything will magically just work out.

That we aren't being lied to when it came to weapons in iraq. That there is no war profiteering going on.

That a de-regulated Wallstreet works for us all- and that paying workers less and less every year, while trying to take away their collective bargaining rights and crowding our classrooms - is the IDEAL way to ACT CIVILIZED.

What we have today - is what the French had during Dickens time. A relatively few people the 1% - who now control more wealth than 90% of all other Americans combined. Who are dictating and controlling our government - and who are even now attempting to take away even our freedom to write here freely on the Internet without corporate interference.

You got to be seriously naive if you believe there is no EXPLOITATION taking place - or the current market place is a level playing field. Or that chronic 15% - 20% unemployment is good for us all or that Americans are choosing to be unemployed - or choosing to lose their homes to the big banks.

The Horatio Alger myth that you too can be a millionaire or that economic mobility in this country is as strong as once one is a delusion only fools and idiot extremists believe in today.

Why do you think there is now a huge movement taking place across the country? Why do you think governors like Scott Walker and his corporate goons - the Koch brothers - is about to be booted out of office?

WHO DO YOU THINK THE 99% ARE?

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Posted: Nov 14th 2011 5:28PM Lateris said

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@EdmundDante Michael Moores farmers that have to keep him fed....
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Posted: Nov 14th 2011 6:57PM oxlar said

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@EdmundDante

Too many strawmen, that are especially off topic, to address in that rant. So I think I will just let what you said be self evident.
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Posted: Nov 15th 2011 6:49AM Nepentheia said

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@EdmundDante

*hugs you fiercely* :-D Beautifully said!
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Posted: Nov 14th 2011 12:53PM Stanimir said

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I share a similar mentality regarding gaming, but obviously people like this have other problems. I dont like the "bootstraps" mentality, though. If the only thing to judge suffering is by the fact that others suffer, cancer patients and tinnitus suffers should stop complaining because they aren't starving or being killed in a genocide, for example. The point is, this is not an "addiction." It is a habit used to fill a void caused be something else, but does not have the disease model as other addictions do.

Posted: Nov 14th 2011 1:03PM dndhatcher said

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Addiction is addiction. When smokers stop smoking, they often turn to food as a fixation object and gain weight. You have to deal with both the fixation object, be it a game or burning weeds, and the behavior of addiction/fixation or you just swap one problem for another.

Posted: Nov 14th 2011 1:03PM chum said

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If they could just hit unsub there wouldn't be a problem but for whatever reason, these people can't do that. I think most of us who enjoy gaming have at one time or another played to an extreme where it wasn't healthy and may have impacted our real lives in a negative way. I know I have. Luckily, the majority can perceive a problem and take a step back. Some people can't. Yes they have a choice but sometimes people need help.

Posted: Nov 14th 2011 1:04PM FrostPaw said

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What Physical Symtoms of Withdrawl does Video Game Addiction cause if you take away the computer?

Because Frustration or Dissapointment you can't do what you want don't count.

Posted: Nov 14th 2011 1:18PM fallwind said

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@FrostPaw

anxiety attacks, dopamine crash, lower saratonin and melatonin levels, increased heart rate, higher blood pressure.

just off the top of my head.
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Posted: Nov 14th 2011 3:42PM oxlar said

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@fallwind

Excerise and diet will address all of these in some way.
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Posted: Nov 14th 2011 1:07PM Trololol said

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I think the people that get addicted have other problems they run away from in a virtural world. Its too easy to just say Turn it off, there are more things going on in peoples lives then just that video game. If they sort those thing out first it might be easier to just ''turn it off''.

Back in vanilla wow I was really into the game had a great guild and all, but one fridaynight one of my mates called me and was like: hey where you at mate arent you supposed to be here with us in the bar, drinking and chasing girls like we always did?. I replied: be right there, just have to kill Domo for the eye of divinety... My mate was like: what the hell are you talking about, get your arse over here fool! That was a big eye opener for me. Hanging with your mates beats killing a mob for a stupid item.

Got a wife and 3 kids now, so all i do these days is play some random free mmo casualy. I have to admit i kinda miss the vanilla wow days but I would never wanna go back.

just my two cents

Posted: Nov 14th 2011 1:17PM oxlar said

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@Stanimir

Obviously the key point of 'choice' was missed here. People starving or the target of genocide don't have a choice either, just like those with real illnesses.

Someone with an addiction does have a choice to solve their problem. Thats the difference in the 'bootstrap' approach. People with real ilnesses or subject to genocide don't have the bootstraps to pull themselves up by.

Posted: Nov 14th 2011 1:20PM Space Cobra said

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"Behavioral health counselor Jeffrey Friedman was brought in to comment on game addiction, which he says is similar to most forms of *addition* in that people's actions are dictated by what will cause them the least emotional pain."

I can see it now...

Little Timmy watching Seasame Street. Grover or Oscar the Grouch singing a song to teach addition. Little Timmy keels over as Oscar asks what 9 + 3 equals, because it causes him so much pain because he can't figure it out, because Timmy *likes* to play singing games with Oscar, but he is still struggling with addition!

;P

Posted: Nov 14th 2011 1:27PM DeadlyAccurate said

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I think saying someone is addicted to games is like saying someone got divorced because they turned the toilet paper the wrong way. There's an underlying problem at work that's the real problem.

(Note that I'm not a psychologist. This is pure Internet psychology only).

Posted: Nov 14th 2011 1:30PM Masync9 said

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Anything can be addictive especially if its *packaged* to be more enticing.

Its a chemically reactive combo, most products nowadays try to place addictive qualities in order to generate more $$$. Pokemon, Magic the gathering - gotta get one more booster maybe I will be able to finally complete the set? Its been stated many times about people who are completionists - they feel compelled.

Vegas style meat on a hook, pull them in and get them to spend their money. MMO's and electronic games do the same thing. WoW is a master of micro game goal satisfaction.

We have a neurological system in place that releases small amount of endorphins when we reach a goal - its that ah ha nice little feeling we get when we complete a task.

If Qtips came out tomorrow with a box that every time you use one it plays a happy tune and statements like "Your a winner! Your the best at what you do.. etc" Then it would be in the news people buying up large quantities of Qtips lol.

I hate it but until our societies get past the greed is good problem this will continue to keep us from moving forward. : (

Posted: Nov 14th 2011 2:12PM oxlar said

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@Masync9

Without the greed is good concept, this world would have never even seen the level of technology or high quality of life most civilized nations enjoy and take for granted today.
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Posted: Nov 14th 2011 3:49PM Bhima said

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@oxlar

lolwut? You think people innovate because of greed? Jonas Salk, Einstein and the vast majority of scientists would like to have a word with you. "Greed is good" creates crap like Planned Obsolescence, Patent Troll firms and other retardedly restrictive Intellectual Property rules.
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