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Posted: Nov 2nd 2011 10:11AM Equillian said

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For once, I agree with you Beau. Botting, in any game, has no place.

Posted: Nov 2nd 2011 12:33PM SnarlingWolf said

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@Equillian

Same here. I too think botting of any kind is sad and pathetic. I've never understood any form of cheating in a video game (or board or card game).

The other amazing thing is how ever botter feels he should be able to do it and that nothing is wrong with it. I think at this point I'd have respect for a botter who said "Yes, I understand it is wrong and it hurts other players. But I am selfish and don't give a shit"

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Posted: Nov 2nd 2011 4:08PM DarkWalker said

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@SnarlingWolf

While I won't use cheats in multiplayer games (unless every involved player agrees to their usage), I modify single player games all the time, including through the use of cheats, to tailor the experience to my tastes. To the point I sometimes avoid a game just because it's considered hard to mod.

Cheating/botting in MMOs sometimes happens when players just dislike some part of the game and want to modify or skip it. In a single player game it would be a quite valid motivation; in a MMO, though, it's not really valid due to the risk of degrading the experience for everyone else.
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Posted: Nov 2nd 2011 10:13AM Pingles said

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I remember trying to finish a quest in WoW when a bot wandered into my area and started tagging every mob one after another. I kept trying to catch a mob as it spawned but this bot was pretty efficient. It would stop, loot, turn 45 degrees and continue. Kind of amazing to watch but ruined my gaming time. I returned a day later and another bot was there. Snuck in my quest mobs but took many times longer than it should because of stinking bots.

Hate em.

Posted: Nov 2nd 2011 11:05AM OutThere said

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You do know what tagging is, right?
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Posted: Nov 2nd 2011 11:07AM fallwind said

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@(Unverified) many areas in WoW have spawn timers slow enough that a well geared bot can kill them faster than they can spawn. Assuming the bot has been there for more than a few minutes they can completely floor an ecology to the point where there is only one mob up at a time.
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Posted: Nov 2nd 2011 12:16PM Pingles said

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Ha. There was more to the story, friend. I was trying to be succinct.
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Posted: Nov 2nd 2011 10:27AM ArcherAvatar said

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Testify brother Beau!

Preaching to the choir here man... unfortunately the same folks who harm these games with callus disregard are also the type of folks who are not likely to grow a conscience just because the error of their ways has been pointed out to them. Narcissists have eyes only for the mirror.

Posted: Nov 2nd 2011 10:28AM smartstep said

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Yeah, guy sending this email is just idiot or hipocrite or both.

Botting ruins a game, I loathe it with burning passion.

Game is too slow for you? Go play another game.

Gathering, crafting, etc is boring for you? Don't do it.

Feel that you must do it(gather, craft, grind) in order to be 'better' in a game? Quit and go play game that does not require it.


Jagex are doing great stuff.

Not playing RS, but at least I will remember company name and look at their future products.

What is needed also imho is FAST AND EASY tool to report bots and GM that actually do check and ban if appropiate bots.

Nothing is bad if you report bots / cheaters and weeks those bots you reported still operate.

Posted: Nov 5th 2011 2:07PM (Unverified) said

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@smartstep

And that's why I left Aion; the game was visually well-done, the game mechanics were decently integrated, but between the "you are your gear" aspect of virtually all MMOs that make 90% of your appearance determined by your gear, and the crafting mechanics that seemed to be designed around a deliberate shortage of one class of required components (the eternal shortage of fluxes) -- as well as what appeared to be an increasing 'gank you very much' aspect of PvP, it just stopped being fun.
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Posted: Nov 2nd 2011 10:42AM Cassius81 said

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When I quit WOW I actually downloaded a bot to see what they were capable of and I tested it with farming and killing mobs and all I can say is that anyone who thinks it isn't cheating is not very bright.

I've since moved to other games and would never use a bot or buy gold as I strongly believe that both actions tend to ruin the game, I have played games that have been heavy on bots though and never lasted with them very long. They get frustrating for an honest player and you begin to feel that you are playing at a real disadvantage to everyone else.

Posted: Nov 2nd 2011 10:55AM Ceridith said

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Boredom is such a terrible excuse for botting. If a game is so boring that you have to use an automated program to play the game for you, why the hell are you playing the game in the first place?

And If it's not because of laziness, it's because of greed.

The sad thing is that most of these people will come up with every excuse in the book to justify their behavior and never even consider that what they're doing is wrong. Then of course they kick and scream like children, claiming it's not fair and they did nothing wrong, when they're caught.

Posted: Nov 3rd 2011 3:29AM DataShade said

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@Ceridith
Really? What about frustration and a lack of tolerance for some lazy game-designer's "let's make the player do this 10,000 times *for no reason,* lol" bullshit?

If I could've written a bot for Battletoads to so I could skip the 'race' levels, I would have.
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Posted: Nov 2nd 2011 10:58AM LongJohnPeter said

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Wow...this article sounds like it's written by a butthurt mad dude... :/

I really like massively and all but if you are mad about botters you might not wanna write about them...

If i read stuff like: "It is a sign of low self esteem or a need for some kind of acceptance. Either that or the player is truly addicted to the game and cannot do anything else with her time."

I can't help myself but think "what an idiot".

PLEASE explain to me why NOT sitting in front of the computer is a sign of being addicted and not knowing what else to do with your time?

Isn't it like the other way around?

Sitting infront of the computer doing a stupid grind and wasting time on a game, socializing with people over the internet a sign of that?

Anyhow i agree botters/cheaters/hackers suck but this article was just crap, at least the parts where you tried to insult people who do it :P

Posted: Nov 2nd 2011 11:13AM (Unverified) said

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@LongJohnPeter
I pretty much agree.
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Posted: Nov 2nd 2011 11:18AM Gamewench said

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@LongJohnPeter I think Beau did an excellent job detailing botting and the mindset of at least one of them that does it.
No one likes it when someone else exploits a game that they love. It hurts the company as well as the community.
Personally I don't think your attacks toward him are called for one bit.
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Posted: Nov 2nd 2011 11:20AM Lenn said

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@LongJohnPeter It would seem that, much like Beau, you are almost taking this a little too personal. I wonder why.
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Posted: Nov 2nd 2011 11:26AM Beau Hindman said

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@LongJohnPeter I've never once said that sitting in front of a PC for ridiculous amounts of time is healthy or smart. In fact, I've written about that very subject.

So, there ya go: botting is *just as* unhealthy as playing too much. That's nothing new.

Beau
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Posted: Nov 2nd 2011 11:32AM gamegamerson said

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@LongJohnPeter

Going to have to agree here... unless Beau has acquired some degrees in psychology and human behavior, he's kind of reaching here with a very short stick. Botting sux, I agree, but to assign some of the adjectives and generalizations to it as though that were fact...bad reporting. I actually came to an opposite conclusion, where though it's bad, these are people who actually value time, and found a way around it.
Not just that, but the fact that they exists because of the "lazy" player, who is willing to buy gold and/or accelerated leveling...they simply are providing a service it seems many players want. Like it or not... it is a big business, and one that many gaming companies are finding themselves up against, and one that is not going to go anywhere anytime soon. In any case, although I agree with the premise of the report, it come across more as a personal rant than objective reporting. But to be fair, Beau does mention his struggle with facts from the start...
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Posted: Nov 2nd 2011 11:53AM Lenn said

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@gamegamerson What makes you think this is a news report?
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