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Posted: Oct 31st 2011 2:05PM nimzy said

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Unless it's an audiobook, the title is kind of... misleading.

Posted: Oct 31st 2011 3:15PM epilepticemu said

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@nimzy Why? "Stay While and Listen" is the name of the book. It's not telling people to literally "listen"
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Posted: Oct 31st 2011 2:17PM SnarlingWolf said

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You had me at the first 2 questions, but the third one was a massive NO.

Let me write a shorter book. Make sure to never come up with an original idea. Have your main IP be a failed attempt at being the Warhammer universe until it is so lame even they won't take it. Then repackage it as "Warcraft". Later make it into an MMO where you once again do not come up with a single original idea. Instead make the ideas so easy and simple even a chimpanzee could level to max in 2 weeks. Corrupt the entire genre due to showing how much money pandering to the lowest common denominator can be. Release Starcraft 2 where the AI is as bad as it was a decade earlier and can't pathfind correctly when other recent RTS games have solved all of those issues.

Decide you'd rather not fight the gold farmers and instead come up with the idea of a real money auction house, which once again isn't even an original idea as EQ 2 launched with servers where you could put up character/items on a real money auction house.

The end.

Downrate if you agree.

Posted: Oct 31st 2011 2:22PM KvanCetre said

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@SnarlingWolf
He mad.
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Posted: Oct 31st 2011 3:14PM epilepticemu said

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@KvanCetre The best part is that when he says "downrate if you agree," he probably people thinks he's really downrated because people actually agree.
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Posted: Oct 31st 2011 3:29PM Ehra said

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@epilepticemu

No, he just realizes that his post was pretty terrible and wanted to take a passive aggressive jab at everyone instead of taking the time to either re-examine his stance or word it in a way that doesn't make him sound like a raving anti-fanboy.

It's pretty fun seeing just how often people throw out little comments like "oh, I see the fanboys are out in force tonight!" whenever they get down rated. Because obviously anti-Blizzard posts never get rated up when they're getting their point across in a clear, intelligent manner. Or, heck, even when they aren't. You have to be a special kind of person to post something anti-Blizzard here and get grayed out.
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Posted: Oct 31st 2011 3:46PM SnarlingWolf said

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@Ehra

My post was dead serious and 100% factual. Even Blizzard super fans know that.

They did start Warcraft as a Warhammer game, the Warhammer folks didn't want it so they rebranded it as Warcraft which is why the two worlds are disgustingly similar.

They truely have never had an original idea, everyone knows that.

The AI in Starcraft 2 IS a decade behind modern AI.

So what exactly in my post is so wrong? Exactly. Fans just don't like hearing it.

The reason for the downrate if you agree is people will downrate everything they don't agree with. That isn't the point of the button. It is there to help take care of offensive posts, not to try to hide differing opinions. But no matter what the game or the topic, the fans of the game always try to downrate anyone who doesn't agree simply because they do not agree and it gets old and sad fast.
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Posted: Oct 31st 2011 3:59PM KvanCetre said

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@SnarlingWolf
They're so unoriginal that everyone tries to be like them, right? Your biggest knocks seem to be they continued to use an IP that vaguely resembled another a long time ago but has expanded and evolved in a seperate direction and that their AI in one of their games has bad pathing.

Man, Blizzard is full of assholes.
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Posted: Oct 31st 2011 4:10PM Utakata said

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@Ehra

I never knew the world was that black and white. Meanwhile there are those of us who are simpley critical of Blizz's direction currently and really have no animosity to the company. Though to the ignorant, I can see how we may be perceived it as anti-Blizz when we post.

As for the problematic ranking mechanics of the Massively commentary, I can tell you that anything that is now remotely critical of Blizz posted over at WoW Insider on the other hand is usually down ranked "to the ground!"...with the occasional Insider staff taking a kick at it along its way. So naturally peeps who have issues with Blizz gravitate to MMO Champs (where they have no ranking system) or here at Massively where their views are better recieved since this is not a WoW focused sight. Hense the ranking skewed in favor of their views.

As for SnarlingWolf's commentary, I thought it was a load of baseless tripe myself. /shrug
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Posted: Oct 31st 2011 4:48PM SnarlingWolf said

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@KvanCetre

Someone else being unoriginal does not make you original. That is a weak arguement.

I covered that point anyone by pointing out how they destroyed the MMO market by showing that by catering to the lowest common denominator and making an unoriginal, easy, dumbed down game you can turn a huge profit. So yes, other companies have followed that path as well.

I'm sure you think Angry Birds is original too and that it isn't a complete rip off of the 20+ Crush the Castle type games that came before it. HALO is fully original as well.....
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Posted: Oct 31st 2011 5:38PM BeeblesTV said

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@SnarlingWolf I'd bet top dollar that you've never achieved anything close to anyone working at Blizzard, even the janitor has more accolades than you. It's easy to bash peoples work from afar, I think people like you should read this book and enlighten yourselves.
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Posted: Oct 31st 2011 6:36PM (Unverified) said

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@SnarlingWolf

Wow, you are literally the biggest weenie I have ever seen. You pretend you're so "smart and superior" because you don't play a game that's "so easy a chimpanzee could do it" and "caters to the lowest common denominator" yet all you do is generalize...go back to high school and maybe learn how to argue, then someone will take you seriously. Hyperbole is a dumb man's "argument." If you can't tell, that's me saying that hyperboles don't constitute an argument at all.
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Posted: Nov 2nd 2011 5:15AM (Unverified) said

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@SnarlingWolf

First Warhammer was a miniature game and it was far from the first one to come out.

In the early 70's a game called CHAINMAIL was the standard for fantasy battles with miniatures. it was made by the same chap that STARTED it all: Dungeon & Dragons.

CHAINMAIL preceded Warhammer with a good 10 years. And Mike Morhaime CEO of Blizzard always said they were influenced by Dungeons and Dragons in his school time.

What YOU talk about is that same EA/Mythic bullshit that was launched back in 2005/2006/2007 when they made a deal with Games Workshop to "fight" the Warcraft MMO for the "real" thing WAR on line.

There were NEVER ANY talks between Blizzard and Games Workshop in the 90's when Warcraft 1 launched.

So seriously read upon the interview with Mike Morhaime first before spreading false hype and putting words out that simply fall flat.

The CEO played heavely Dungeons and Dragons (Chainmail) and Magic the Gathering, so that's where Warcraft was based on.

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Posted: Oct 31st 2011 3:23PM Ehra said

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I was about to say "in before someone manages to turn this into a failing on Blizzard's part." But looks like I was too late.

As a side note, I always think it's a bit funny when people complain about WoW catering so hard to casuals. Part of the reason it was getting so much attention pre-release (other than it being Blizzard and Warcraft) was BECAUSE Blizzard had a strong "pro-casual" message that lots of people agreed with. Far stronger than the reality ever ended up being. I still remember a pre-release interview where they said raid gear wouldn't be any stronger than gear earned otherwise, it'd just be cool (the example they gave was that a "casual" sword would be just a sword while a sword earned through a raid would have flames coming off of it). I remember because that was the interview that finalized my decision to get the game, as I was currently playing Dark Age of Camelot which was, at the time, a mess almost entirely thanks to an expansion's worth full of overpowered raid-earned gear and abilities.

Posted: Oct 31st 2011 3:46PM jenny1994 said

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For a moment, thought this was the book of Cain:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1608870634/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=httpbetterand-20

Regardless, this seems like it'll be an interesting read.

Posted: Oct 31st 2011 3:59PM DavidLCraddock said

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Greetings Massively audience! Just a note to bookmark www.dm-press.com where you can keep up with coverage and follow us on Facebook and Twitter.

I hope you're looking forward to the book,
~David

Posted: Oct 31st 2011 6:10PM Khaiser Soze said

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Arriving soon ™

Posted: Oct 31st 2011 6:27PM Fabius Bile said

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my spider sense tells me the book will dodge the fact that Blizzard has been plagiarizing Games Workshop for nearly 18 years...

Posted: Nov 1st 2011 10:53AM SnarlingWolf said

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@Fabius Bile

Careful there, I said that and Blizzard super fans got all bent out of shape over it. Fortunately their attention span (due to playing games like WoW) is very small and they've probably forgotten about this thread already.

Downrate if you agree.
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Posted: Nov 1st 2011 11:27AM Kalis said

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@Fabius Bile
You say that like you believe that Games Workshop's ideas are all original and weren't plagerized from other material.
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