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Posted: Oct 27th 2011 10:04AM dudes said

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If people drop WoW because of not feeling the love for Panda's, those nay-saying words might come back to haunt Morhaime.

Posted: Oct 27th 2011 11:09AM TheAngryIntern said

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@dudes People might be surprised by the pandas. I played it a little bit at Blizzcon and it was pretty fun. The Monk class seems like it could be a lot of fun as well.
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Posted: Oct 27th 2011 12:08PM dudes said

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@TheAngryIntern, If nothing else catches the eye, and there is no alternative games then you may be right.
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Posted: Oct 27th 2011 12:08PM Snichy said

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@dudes. I don't think Pandas and subscriptions are linked. If someone stops playing WoW its usually because of the game (boring or disagreeing with content etc.) and not because all of a sudden the subscription is too expensive or immoral. Similarly, I doubt people aren't playing WoW because its not F2P. If people are judging their choice of MMO for financial reasons then maybe they're in the wrong genre.
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Posted: Oct 27th 2011 12:17PM dudes said

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@Snichy, After browsing the official WoW forums, the panda love is most definitely not being felt there, along with rage quit pandahate statements. I feel the forum posters aren't actually serious and aren't going to really quit since they are paying to post there still, but some may have genuine intent to do that post-launch. Staying tuned to find out.
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Posted: Oct 27th 2011 2:07PM Space Cobra said

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@dudes

"After browsing the official WoW forums, the panda love is most definitely not being felt there, along with rage quit pandahate statements. I feel the forum posters aren't actually serious and aren't going to really quit since they are paying to post there still, but some may have genuine intent to do that post-launch. Staying tuned to find out. "

That may be true, but you are going to have to take those posts with a few grains of salt. I don't think ALL 11 million players are posting about it; maybe 100? Maybe 1,000? 100,000? We don't know. I am sure there are some repeat posts by the same person. Not every player visits the forums and while some of the non-visitors may feel "Panda-hate" some may be indifferent to it.

Again, it's easier to get angry letters than complimentary ones. It's also easy to remember the "bad times" or "something done wrong to you" than the times someone may shown you a small favor. It's easier to vent and its easier to sit back and relax and enjoy/play the game for the majority of players.

Time will tell once this expansion launches if the majority of players really "hate pandas with a burning particular passion of penultimate perpetuity" or if, in the end, it's only a few and if those few, turn around and like it after they try it out.
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Posted: Oct 27th 2011 2:59PM Fynn said

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@Snichy "Similarly, I doubt people aren't playing WoW because its not F2P. If people are judging their choice of MMO for financial reasons then maybe they're in the wrong genre."

You're kidding, right? What other game on the market has such a steep entrance fee, plus subscription? Buying the current game plus expansions through Battle.net costs $80, or more if you go through retail options. The next expansion will most likely cost $40 as it was when the last two launched. And if I remember correctly, the last expansion didn't even give you a free month of play, so you will have to set up a subscription plan immediately.

$120 + $15/mo to play, and you're saying someone is in the "wrong genre" if they don't want to pay that?
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Posted: Oct 27th 2011 4:46PM Seldra said

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@Fynn

I'm sure Blizzard already realizes that and who knows maybe in the next expansion they'll address it with some sort of new bundle box or make the original and/or Burning Crusade free to download.

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Ya I don't take anyone saying they'll quit a game because of something superficial they dislike. Honestly, quitting over pandas, elves, sparkly vampres, furfag warewolves is asinine, come up with a better excuse.
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Posted: Oct 27th 2011 6:33PM (Unverified) said

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@dudes People don't hate the fact that the panda's are being added, people hate the fact that nothing really new and or interesting has been added since wrath.
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Posted: Oct 27th 2011 7:25PM (Unverified) said

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@dudes I just don't see Pandas pulling people away from Rift or The Old Republic. Simply put, nearly 7 years and only 1 new class added to the game is a rather pathetic achievement. Cataclysm was disappointing, only 4.7 million units sold vs 11.5 (at that time) subscribers. So uh what were the other 6.8 million subs doing, they couldn't ALL be in china.

WoW has already started on the F2P path with the "unlimited free play to 20" they added this year. So wouldn't surprise me if the F2P position is "reevaluated" in the future (like after Dec 20th).
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Posted: Oct 27th 2011 10:04AM (Unverified) said

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Blizzard's making too much money off box sales alone, IMO, to let the game go F2P. I remember they had the base game and all current expansions on "sale" for $80.

Posted: Oct 27th 2011 10:19AM real65rcncom said

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Agree. Going to be a LONG TIME before this thing even considers FTP. At least until Titan comes out, at which time it won't if it's competes with WoW in any way.
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Posted: Oct 27th 2011 10:07AM Pingles said

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They'd be crazy to change ANYTHING about WoW until much further down the road.

My guess is that they might shift to F2P when they have not her MMO to open up.

Posted: Oct 27th 2011 10:09AM Pingles said

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@Pingles

Ha. Got iOS autocorrected. "not her" should be "another".
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Posted: Oct 27th 2011 11:54AM FippyX said

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@Pingles

Massively Multiplayer Orifice
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Posted: Oct 27th 2011 10:09AM mysecretid said

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With no hate, I have to wonder if World of WarCraft's day of supremacy is slowly ending?

Not so much because of what WoW is, but because many people are just burnt out on its particular style of streamlined gameplay, and are hoping to find something different, or deeper?

If so, I'm not sure if even F2P would return WoW to the top, because it doesn't seem like their declining numbers are a result of the monthly fee.

WoW will always be one of the top five MMORPGs out there, in terms of players, for years to come.

It will always have a devoted core playerbase willing to pay to play -- but no one can stay Number One forever, and WoW's reign may be slowly ending for reasons that have little to do with money.

My opinion, anyway,

Posted: Oct 27th 2011 11:49AM paterah said

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@mysecretid I doubt this game will be knocked out from the throne for years to come. It might be challenged by the upcoming games though.
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Posted: Oct 27th 2011 10:10AM Lucidus said

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They'd be stupid to not milk their subs til the bitter end.

Posted: Oct 27th 2011 10:58AM (Unverified) said

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@Lucidus

Exactly; they have the best of both worlds. $25 mounts, $30 server transfers, $10 pets, plus all sorts of other paid services. Faction change, race change, name change, guild transfer, guild renaming, guild/faction transfer (for only $65!). Add on top of that the subscription money. They're getting fat on both ends.
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Posted: Oct 27th 2011 11:21AM (Unverified) said

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@(Unverified) Why do you bring up all those non-subscription related fees? As if other F2P games don't have way more ways of charging players money, with all that included? The number of people who make use of any of those features pales in comparison to the people buying boxes and paying sub fees. That's the distinction between F2P and the subscription model. If they had an actual cash store (a few mounts and pets really doesn't compare to cash stores in other games) then they would truly have the best of both worlds. They might go there sooner than full F2P, too. If anyone could get away with an actual cash store a la LotrO, Runes of Magic or EQ2X AND requiring a subscription fee, it would be WoW
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