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Posted: Oct 25th 2011 6:05PM Space Cobra said

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Interesting comment, but I figured they were in it for the "long haul".

It is also interesting that Joystiq.com just had an article naming Minecraft an XBox exclusive for that console as well (no Wii or PS3 version planned for now).

Things are certainly lining up...

Posted: Oct 25th 2011 6:12PM FrostPaw said

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I'm not sure the life of any mmo on console is good enough to warrant the investment and then the patching process. Given this generations console hardware is about done and rumours are already starting about its successors I really don't know what CCP is thinking.

Posted: Oct 26th 2011 11:32AM SnarlingWolf said

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@FrostPaw

I guess they didn't hear the news, consoles are dying. By the time they get DUST out and onto the console, the consoles will be just about dead. Sales have plummeted. People aren't buying new consoles OR new games.

PCs will stick around and tablets/smart phones/next gen technology will be the future. Consoles are going the way of the Dodo. No need to get another system when you already have both a computer and smart phone/tablet around. Not to mention the rise of cloud computing and on-live type of systems.

Building any massive new investment project on a console right now is flat out brain dead.
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Posted: Oct 26th 2011 12:25PM StClair said

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I wonder what kind of answer you'd get for this statement over on Joystiq. (I imagine they'd claim, just as loudly and much as I've heard for years, that it's the PC gaming market that's dying.)
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Posted: Oct 27th 2011 11:03AM SnarlingWolf said

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@StClair

The key is, it isn't a claim. It is actual data from surveys on the market. The sale of actual consoles has flatlined at near 0 and the sale of console games has plummeted. The console market is ACTUALLY dying, it isn't just a claim pulled out of the air.
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Posted: Oct 25th 2011 6:15PM CaseyTheBrash said

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I think DUST would have done better on PC in the long term. but they are most likely hoping massive amounts of console players will give them 20 bucks and move on. It seems more like an attempt to break into the con$ole market than a real attempt to expand EVE. I'm sure math has shown if even a fraction of PS3 players (I own one) play the game it would be much more profitable than pushing it out on PC.

They are in a business to make money, but ignoring how they got there has already cost them and 20% of their workforce is now jobless.

Posted: Oct 25th 2011 6:39PM Wild Colors said

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Really? I think I just don't understand the numbers involved. I would have thought there were way more PC's out there than PS3's.

My little HP DM1Z netbook can play Left 4 Dead 2, assuming you're ok with a 20 fps rate, so I'm assuming that the vast majority of computers out there going for $600 or more are capable of playing a decent-looking shooter. (decent being noticeably worse than BF3, of course, but probably better looking than Halo 2 or something like that)

Then again, I may just be exactly the wrong type of person to understand why consoles could be a good idea. I don't have a TV. I live in a little apartment that doesn't really have room for it. I watch TV on my computer, I play games on my computer, I do work on my computer. Betting on consoles seems pretty dumb to me. But I may not be 'normal' :)
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Posted: Oct 25th 2011 6:50PM BigAndShiny said

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@Wild Colors

But on PC most users would have to 'look for' DUST 514, whereas on PS3 they could probably just put it on the homepage of playstation network/ playstation store and advertise directly to millions of potential customers.
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Posted: Oct 25th 2011 6:54PM CaseyTheBrash said

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@Wild Colors

Consoles almost always outsell PCs when it comes to games now days. Sure there are a ton of computers about but it's easier to develop for a console and then push it out the door. PCs have so many configs and I would guess most of the PCs on the planet are useless for modern gaming.I'll bet there over a hundred PCs where I work and none of them are really viable for gaming.

Example: Call of Duty Black Ops sold about 13 million copies worldwide on the X-Box 360, about 10 million on PS3 and about 1 million on the PC.

PC games are now ports of console games, I remember when they used to port games TO consoles. Heh.
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Posted: Oct 25th 2011 6:58PM Eamil said

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@BigAndShiny

Steam serves pretty much the same function, and that's a pretty massive user base all by itself.
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Posted: Oct 25th 2011 7:40PM MustardPunk said

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@CaseyTheBrash

Lets not forget. That was a console port. Not a made for PC game. Many games that are made for the PC do very well.
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Posted: Oct 25th 2011 7:58PM smartstep said

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@CaseyTheBrash

Yes and no.

Remember do not take VGChartz as complete.

For PC market they are totally NOT complete.

Digital sale for PC is HUGE. Many games sell more on digital-sales like Steam and many similar services than in retail.

VGChartz is NOT showing sales number from Steam and similar sites.

Not to mention that VGChartz are more or less accurate for US and western Europe only. Central Europe, Eastern Europe, Americas and Asia not covered or just very partially.

So remember PC sales shown on VGChartz frequently shows only fraction and a minor one of total game sale worldwide and through all channels.
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Posted: Oct 25th 2011 8:33PM CaseyTheBrash said

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@smartstep

So you're saying PC sales actually top console sales in most AAA titles?
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Posted: Oct 25th 2011 8:48PM paterah said

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@smartstep Last game I heard that sold better on the PC is Portal 2. Even if the game is made for PC and then made shitty and downgraded to fit in a console chances are it would still be better because the console gaming is massive.
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Posted: Oct 25th 2011 8:50PM paterah said

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@paterah sell better*
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Posted: Oct 25th 2011 11:54PM ChromeBallz said

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@CaseyTheBrash

Actually, EA/Dice announced in november last year (iirc) that Bad Company 2 PC slightly outsold the 360 and PS3 versions (seperately though). Portal 2 was always going to be a huge PC favoured game obviously.

Most games do sell better on the console though, but that's usually because they're, well, console games. PC sales are hampered somewhat by disproportionately high prices for games which aren't very well suited or adjusted to the platform, which leads to piracy and reduced sales (bad console ports).

PC gamers right now are swarmed with F2P games and very low cost alternatives to AAA titles, aswell as the relative ease to download something illegally which does not use any form of DRM, which is usually more harmful to the legit customer than the pirate. Very few games are able to break through this rather bad situation, however, there are a few that do, like the ones i mentioned earlier.
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Posted: Oct 26th 2011 5:24AM smartstep said

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@CaseyTheBrash

Top them? Ofc not. Never said that.

I just say that diffrence is not that huge as some people thinks.

Additionally, markets outside of US and western Europe are getting more important as time passes (recently Valve gave statement that Russia is becoming really important market to it. It is already second most important in Europe next to Germany and it has much more growth potential) and in those markets PC is the king.

Remember that while consoles are dominating USA and Japan market this domination is much smaller or non existant in other countries / regions.

Even in western Europe where consoles have good 'position', they are not dominating as much as in US.

I don't say that consoles will 'lose' or anything. Far from that. New consoles will be succesful as well.

Just saying that market will be big enough to hold both PC and consoles and PC market will get (already is) some % of market back in coming years.

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Posted: Oct 25th 2011 6:32PM BigAndShiny said

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I don't think 514 will make as big an impact as they hope

Posted: Oct 26th 2011 9:20AM (Unverified) said

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@BigAndShiny

Well, I'd say it's all about the marketing. I have no doubt for a second that DUST could become the "Halo for Playstation", provided it stays Playstation exclusive ofc. It just needs to be marketed well, like Microsoft pushed Halo as the most-innovative-best-goddamn-shit-ever to hit console FPS market ever. ...Of course if the gameplay is shit, no amount of marketing will make it a hit, but assuming the trailers and gameplay footage we've seen is in any way accurate, it'll be good.
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Posted: Oct 26th 2011 12:29PM gamegamerson said

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@BigAndShiny

I'd have to agree... DC Universe was supposed to have a big impact as well, and look where that went... the possibilities are there, but the current restrictions of the platform (Hard drive space, memory, limited inputs/controls) as well as the control issues of the providers (Sony, Microsoft) and the limited life cycle of the systems seem to be holding things back. It definitely caused many problems for DCU (If what the devs have said hold any truth...)

Personally, I would love to see it, but I don't think it will occur anytime soon, not until the game systems themselves become more agile in their ability to be upgraded... but then, I guess they'd just be computers, no? Time will tell...
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