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Posted: Oct 23rd 2011 12:25PM Saker said

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I had a look at this one myself when you first posted about it Beau. It looked so interesting and different (there's a hint when you first are starting that there's some kind of real-world psychology behind some of the design, not to mention some actual mystical thought?!? -fascinating!-), so I was excited! But it quickly dulled as like you I found the game just incomprehensible. What in-the-world was I supposed to be doing, trying to do, and how-in-the-world was I supposed to go about doing it. I love sandbox games, they're my cherished dream of-a-game type/world, but i need a little something to go on, some kind of hint about what i might be doing, could be doing.

Posted: Oct 23rd 2011 1:19PM Space Cobra said

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Beau, I would speculate that the "Viscosity" you mention, that makes places unreachable if people do not visit, basically bars *everyone* from visiting a place. I would further speculate this applies to the Library you were trying to visit; since not many new players and all the old players just needed one item, they already got it! :P

So, the system skewers particular areas that are needed, particularly newbie areas (since we are dealing with players that have been in the game).

I think this is part of the "unpolished" nature you pointed out. While I love to solve such mysteries, in figuring out games, this does seem frustrating. I can figure out some of the language meaning: I think the "No usual player economy" means they don't have a player economy and are just being vague.

I'd like to try the game out but sheesh.

Posted: Oct 23rd 2011 6:26PM Bhagpuss said

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I'll give most things a try and the visuals on this one look nice, but after reading your account I think I'll pass. If you're struggling to find a good word to say about a game, most players are probably going to end up wanting to kill someone!

Posted: Oct 23rd 2011 6:41PM dude1 said

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To be honest i find your review kinda biased.probably related to your skills as a reviewer.
ie.you are supposed to be an expert but you don't even know what mud game is.or you brand forum people as sluggish you didn't even speak once.
since you "like unusual things" that can make you an expert on everything you don't understand.that's real in depth examination you got there.



Posted: Oct 23rd 2011 7:03PM (Unverified) said

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@dude1 He never said he didn't know what a MUD game is, just that he couldn't stand the entirely text-based ones. He said that this one seemed to be to his liking because it wasn't text based, but had hand drawn art as well.

That, and this column isn't meant for reviews. It's a recollection of sorts of his playthrough, and his overall opinion of the game. Not to be confused with disecting the game's elements (gameplay, graphics, etc) and reviewing them.
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Posted: Oct 23rd 2011 7:09PM dude1 said

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@(Unverified) you mean it's not a review but you can judge and say it sucks or it's great.what the hell is recollection for walkthroughs?Is it for people who play a game for 1 week and moves on another?I don't get it.
I'm sure he know MUDs but he should have been able to understand it's not in a 3 seconds.In which MUD game you can move around by clicking on arrows?Jesus.
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Posted: Oct 23rd 2011 7:14PM Gamewench said

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@dude1 if you don't like the content don't read it. Plain and simple.

I for one enjoy Beau's articles for what they are.
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Posted: Oct 23rd 2011 7:21PM JuliusSeizure said

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@dude1

Don't the trolls usually come out to complain that Beau is too generous and likes everything, no matter if no sane human would? This is an interesting reversal.

I guess all the other trolls are struck mute because they've finally been proven categorically wrong.
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Posted: Oct 23rd 2011 7:21PM Beau Hindman said

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@dude1 Keep it calm, Dude.

I said it was a "MUD sort of game." The reasons for my comparisons should be obvious in the article. The long-standing premise of this column has been to find a game, play it for roughly 5 days (or 10-15 hours) and report on what I find. That could mean emotionally, physically, whatever.

We don't do "reviews" at Massively. We'll do first impressions of pieces like this.

beau
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Posted: Oct 23rd 2011 7:24PM (Unverified) said

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@dude1 It's his opinions on the game after a week of play. That's what this column is about, read the footer. In no way is it a review.
And there are such things as graphical MUDs. The Shadow of Yserbius is a popular one.
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Posted: Oct 23rd 2011 7:25PM Beau Hindman said

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@(Unverified) Is that one worth checking out? *opens browser window* ....if you have any other suggestions, fire away! :)

Beau
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Posted: Oct 24th 2011 1:24AM DataShade said

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@dude1
Ugh. Normally, I read Beau's columns to know what browser games to avoid, and yet I find myself in the position of reading a post from you, a detractor, and thinking "why can't I hit the -1 button a million times?"


>To be honest i find your review kinda biased.
Um, biased how? Bias is defined as an inclination that prevents unprejudiced consideration; nothing in what Beau writes indicates a prior judgement against the games he reviews. (And yes, I understand Massively doesn't do capital-R put-it-on-Metacritic reviews, but 'review' pretty much means 'look back' and that's what Beau's doing here.)

> probably related to your skills as a reviewer.
Protip: that kind of language is discourteous, inflammatory, and not just unnecessary in making a point, but counterproductive. For example, let's take your next sentence and respond in kind:

> ie.you are supposed to be an expert but you don't even know what mud game is.
"To be honest that doesn't make any sense. Probably related to your lack of writing skills."
Let's try that again: "I'm not sure what you mean by that, since you appear to be saying Beau doesn't know what a MUD is when he describes, at length, why he doesn't like MUD games, then goes on to say that MagicDuel appears to rectify all the problems he has with those types of games. Could you elaborate on what part of his description of MUDs is wrong?" Also, re. your "some kind of expert" quip: please not the similarity between "experience" and "expert," and reflect on the possibility that, as Beau has been doing weekly Rise and Shiny for something like 68 weeks, he has enough experience to be considered an expert.

> or you brand forum people as sluggish you didn't even speak once.
I'm not sure what you mean by "speak." It appears as if when you read Beau's phrase "Perhaps the situation would turn around if I visited the forums or asked for help in the help channels," you understood him to be saying "I did not visit the forums or talk in the chat channels at all for the week I was there."


> since you "like unusual things" that can make you an expert on everything you don't understand.
No, his implication is that since he likes unusual things he's open to trying games that take risks - with gameplay, story, etc etc.

> that's real in depth examination you got there.
I'm not sure how to respond to that. He wrote over a thousand words for this article, while you wrote 66 - and seemingly skipped any attempt at tying your insults to what he actually wrote. It really feels like you read a negative review of a game you liked, then *wrote a rebuttal to your feelings* instead of actually responding to the actual text of the original article.

I don't know how to argue with your feelings.
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Posted: Oct 24th 2011 2:07AM DataShade said

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@dude1

I think you really need to offer an apology to Beau and (unverified), because you've either made a series of *terrible* reading comprehension errors, or you're deliberately - and thus maliciously - rewriting what's been said to make your opponents look foolish or offensive.

> you mean it's not a review but you can judge and say it sucks or it's great.
Beau said Magic Duel sucks at the 72-word mark. What did you feel about the other 967 words where he talked about MagicDuel? Or did you not read them?


>what the hell is recollection for walkthroughs?
I don't know, *nobody else ever said those words,* at least not on this page; the guy you're responding to said "recollection ... of his play through." Now, either you misread that and need to apologize, or you rewrote it and need to apologize.

>Is it for people who play a game for 1 week and moves on another?
No, it's *BY* a person who plays a game for 1 week and moves on. Beau's lucky enough to have a gig that lets him play games, write up reviews, and get paid for it, but nobody's going to keep paying him if he keeps writing up reviews for the same game every week.

No, it's *FOR* people who don't have the good fortune to get paid to review the endless stream of small-budget, indie browser games out there.

>I don't get it.
Maybe you should have used the tags at the top of the article to look back through old Rise and Shiny articles until you figured out what Rise and Shiny was about - or maybe started off with a *polite* question, "what is Rise and Shiny about? a new game every week?" instead of leading in with insulting Beau's skills as a reviewer.


> I'm sure he know MUDs but he should have been able to understand it's not in a 3 seconds.
So why didn't you ask questions about that instead of (or at least in addition to) insulting the writer?

> In which MUD game you can move around by clicking on arrows?Jesus.
Um, actually - aren't there graphical MUD clients that have all sorts of arrows and buttons and other GUI tools? That's a rhetorical question: I know there are.
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Posted: Oct 24th 2011 10:23AM epilepticemu said

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@dude1 Please leave. Your comments are 50% rude, 50% incomprehensible. Neither of those are valuable.
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Posted: Oct 24th 2011 11:48AM dude1 said

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@Beau Hindman Did you see me angry peeps?Cause i wasn't,In contrast, some of you wrote a damn novel as a reply,sory i don't have time to read it,i was just saying my opinion,magic is not for everyone obviously.
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Posted: Oct 24th 2011 11:53AM dude1 said

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@Gamewench that doesn't make sense.it was my first article.
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Posted: Oct 24th 2011 11:58AM dude1 said

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@JuliusSeizure I don't care what Beau likes or not,i need to see well constructed criticism.

" guess all the other trolls are struck mute because they've finally been proven categorically wrong."

what's this?
another great first impression i should bow down and obey?Oh how open minded and cool are you lot,i'm so impressed..and scared.
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Posted: Oct 24th 2011 12:01PM dude1 said

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@epilepticemu Where can't you comprehend it?So sorry i don't speak you-can-comprehend.
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Posted: Oct 24th 2011 1:01PM Beau Hindman said

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@dude1 Once again I am going to ask everyone here to obey the rules. Be respectful and keep it civil. Stay on topic.

Beau
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Posted: Oct 24th 2011 4:11AM ClassicCrime said

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Well, this was weird. Wasn't entirely sure what to make of the very first bit of information that it gave right at the beginning, the sort of intro to the game to give brand new players an idea of what to expect. It seemed like it was more or less just describing itself as the most revolutionary, mind blowing thing to ever happen, warning players to pay attention and concentrate on what what being said, lest they pollute the game world with their confusion and noobiness, and all this was written with horrible english and more typos than I could count. I actually was about ready to just ditch it right then, but I continued on to the paper cabin whatever thing and found the actual ingame text to be a bit more professional looking, and so I went on with it and was somewhat interested, until I bought a creature and entered my first fight and then it was like oh wtf this is moronic, the combat screen was so confusing and not in an intriguing way but in a "wtf is this boring crap i dont understand" sort of way.

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