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Posted: Oct 23rd 2011 11:30PM Utakata said

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@JuliusSeizure

Now your just tone trolling Nenene...which is highly unfair. After all it is his/her opinion. One I suspect is strongly informed.

You also haven't given any concrete reasons or inspiration as to why any of us should accept the changes Blizz is planning to implement with MoP...save from berrating us who disagree. Perhaps you like to take the time to share what you see so fantastic...that many of us are seemingly unable to grasp. I'll least try to keep an open mind. The ball is in your court.
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Posted: Oct 24th 2011 1:50AM (Unverified) said

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@Utakata

The only concrete complaints I read in Nenene's post were:

1) Pandas are silly

2) The talent tree revamps are oversimplifying the game

Regarding #1, it's a matter of personal taste. Personally, I think Panda's are cool, but that's just me. Reasonable people can disagree.

Regarding #2, it does sound like a simplification, but it's really not. Al you do in Cataclysm (or WOTLK) is copy a cookie cutter build that's best for your class. There is no thought or complexity to spending 30 - 50 talent points on things like "increases spell damage by 1 percent". You may have 2-3 points left over to spend on "fun" things after all the useful bits were exhausted.

Under the new system, all the standard must have's are built in, and you must choose the between three options ever 15 levels for the new 'perks". These six choices are more than you ever had to make previously, and actually add complexity to the game.

Your comments show you didn't really understand how the WoW talent system worked, or what the new changes bring.
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Posted: Oct 24th 2011 1:51AM oddshrub said

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@Nenene
I'm not sure I follow you, what you're describing is basically any point and click based MMO in history only with one button instead of 20.

The control system for these games just doesn't go beyond pushing a button at the right time, like a monkey pressing a red button when a red light flashes to get a banana. But that's not just WoW, that's all of the recent Themepark MMOs, and moving away from that isn't a bad idea.

Talent trees were likewise never a good idea either. Even with the simplicity of their design they made around 80% of the playerbase look up guides on how to use them. :p

I see a lot of innovative thought going into this expansion and I'd frankly hate being Bioware right now seeing how even more of the gameplay concepts they're putting into SWTOR are going to obsolete on it's release.

Of course both games, and probably rift will house millions of subscribers for many years to come. Not because they're good games but because nobody has had the balls to put real innovation into the genre for 10 years except for maybe CCP (and their management is fucking it up completely now anyways).

As far as going disney, well sure, doesn't every themepark get furry animals eventually? All they need now is catpeople.
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Posted: Oct 24th 2011 2:27AM Faith said

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@Nenene

I think you may have just ticked off the odd furry fetish fans.
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Posted: Oct 24th 2011 3:29AM Utakata said

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@(Unverified)

Oh bullcrap! And six years of talenting each of my characters so they can produce the best results without tapping into FoTM was all for not? Oh...I know what it is, I've made criticism to your precious WoW. Instead of giving me any substance as how this new fangled talent tree mechanic is supposed to be any good, you instead label my comments ignorant without a shred of proof as to why. But sorry, go screw yourself! I'm done here.

Hint: In future give me evidence why I should accept something at face value, instead of lip and I will think about being nice.
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Posted: Oct 24th 2011 6:19AM JuliusSeizure said

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@Utakata

Opinion is fine. Hyperbolic ranting full of mockery without substance of something where the intention behind the change being railed against is entirely missed and in fact contradicted is not so much. At the very least it's worth calling out, which is as much as I did. It's not like I can delete or edit Nenene's post. It's still there, exactly as it was.

I didn't say it should just be accepted, but I did explain quite succinctly how the structure of the changes has a lot of promise. Also, while I didn't say so in this comment thread, I was quite clear in the one above that final implementation in the game may not bear fruit.

It's just silly to crow about any apparent terribleness at this point.

tl;dr - You're blindly reacting without paying attention too. Take some time, chill out, come back with fresh eyes later and see if this conversation still feels the same to you then.
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Posted: Oct 24th 2011 7:35AM Eamil said

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@Utakata

From the unverified fellow you were replying to:

"Al you do in Cataclysm (or WOTLK) is copy a cookie cutter build that's best for your class. There is no thought or complexity to spending 30 - 50 talent points on things like "increases spell damage by 1 percent". You may have 2-3 points left over to spend on "fun" things after all the useful bits were exhausted.

Under the new system, all the standard must have's are built in, and you must choose the between three options ever 15 levels for the new 'perks". These six choices are more than you ever had to make previously, and actually add complexity to the game."

That sounds like an awful lot of "why" to me. I think he explained the new talent system and why it offers more choice compared to the old one (which only offers the illusion of choice) pretty well. If you disagree with that, feel free to explain why - from my point of view YOU'RE the one spewing reactionary bile here instead of responding to the actual points he raised.
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Posted: Oct 24th 2011 9:06AM Utakata said

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@JuliusSeizure

...it certainly was long on snark, but that's fine. I didn't find it as you saw it. But then again this maybe due subjective interpration. And the fact there is to many of us a lot more not to like about PoM than there is. Just that Nenene expressed it more colorfully than most.

As for the new talent system itself, you maybe right as to not to crow about something before it's fully fleshed out. Then again it also goes to say that you can't really praise for it's genius yet either for the same reasons. Especially when many are including myself are not see'ing it as such. A better position at least is to wait and see what it is all about. This is why despite my misgivings about it, I am still going to keep an open mind about it. But I have my sincere doubts.

@Eamil

As I am saying, I'm not sure I am getting all this other stuff from other than the 6 choices which are not even consistant with their original spec trees. With much of the spell specs which I levelled with are now only available at max level come PoM. Furthermore, if I wanted to build a pure Fire spec on this character (Which she has always been Fire) I would find that very difficult to do under this new proposed system which forces you to spend points in both Arcane and Frost.

Now I can understand I am mssing something if there is also a built in attribute system similar to Guild Wars that I can also tweak along with this. But I am not seeing anything like that here. Thus I remain very very skeptical about this until proven otherwise.

Finally I think you missed my point of my "blind rage"...which I'll admit was likely in afterfhought was entirely unecessay. (I am known to get hot under the pigtails occasionally. :( ) But it wouldn't been so bad if Mr. (Unverified) would of just stated his first two points, which I would of politely addressed. Accept he didn't allow me too and instead driveby'd trolled me litterally stating I have know idea what I am talking about at the end. Thus dismissing out right any the concerns and criticisms I had. IMO, it was a simple disguised and needless ad hominem at best...

...but either way, I apologise to you, Mr. (Unverified), JuliusSeizure and everyone else here for losing it. As I said, I was wrong in doing that. And that it was completely inappropriate. I'll try to reframe from doing so in future. :(
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Posted: Oct 24th 2011 9:13AM Utakata said

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@Utakata

*afterthought...unnecessary...no (instead of know)...

...jeez, crap spelling job is crappy. :(
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Posted: Oct 24th 2011 10:25AM Chiren said

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@JuliusSeizure
Because Nenene's right.
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Posted: Oct 24th 2011 10:27AM MrSquiggles said

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@Nenene

You are spot on!

You wield the Power of Zhu. :)
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Posted: Oct 24th 2011 11:21AM Mcsniper said

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@Utakata

You know and I know that Nenene's post was a load of drivel. It may be his/her opinion but it was a very sarcastic piece. Ho hum I enjoy most games for what they are.
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Posted: Oct 24th 2011 1:34PM Utakata said

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@Mcsniper

I found it entertaining actually. But each to their own I guess. /shrug
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Posted: Oct 24th 2011 4:21PM Utakata said

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@Mcsniper

Note also: This is coming from a guy who uses Benny Hill as his avatar. Irony much?
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Posted: Oct 25th 2011 12:15AM Mcsniper said

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@Utakata

Yeah just like you use a WOW one?

Benny Hill because no matter what, its all fun to me :)
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Posted: Oct 25th 2011 3:55AM Utakata said

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@Mcsniper

There's no irony in that; that's my main. Who is influx since I left WoW a few months back. But it doesn't mean I don't miss playing her.

Your point would of been sound if I was carrying the Blizz logo as my avatar instead. Not obscure fan art assets of me that my former guild put together a few years back. Sorry...the only contradiction here is the one you want to create because you where called over for your lack of humor. /shrug
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Posted: Oct 23rd 2011 10:43PM Coldbrand said

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And yet still no mention of FFXIV 2.0.

Posted: Oct 23rd 2011 11:13PM OrangeGamer said

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HURR durr, hipster negative comment about pandas, sweet n sour pork, pokemans.

At least try reading MMOChamp. Joystiq's "big news titles" are laughable at best this time around. I'm disappointed.:/

Posted: Oct 24th 2011 1:11AM (Unverified) said

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the first time i'm actually urged to try out WoW. I love Kung Fu Panda :)
For those of you who didnt get it: Blizzard is preparing themselves for a new generation of (young) gamers. that's why they will stay on top for the years to come. My kids generation dont even know what star wars is ;)

Posted: Oct 24th 2011 3:34AM Utakata said

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@(Unverified)

If that's the bed Blizzard wants to make out of WoW, they can have it. Not sure how that will effect their bottom line though.
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