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Posted: Oct 22nd 2011 3:12PM Daemodand said

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Still waiting for the Chiweenie race.

Posted: Oct 22nd 2011 3:57PM Marz said

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I play WoW because it is fun. There are a ton of Serious games out there. I played EVE for quite some time, a very serious game that feels like a "Job" when you play it.

Playing a monk sounds like fun.
Playing a Panda sounds like fun.

After all the Idea of a Kung Fu Panda was obviously interesting enough that the producers of Kung Fu Panda stole the Idea from WoW.

Posted: Oct 22nd 2011 8:28PM smartstep said

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@Marz

Tons of "serious" game out there?

I see very few at best. There is almost none "serious games" out there.

Unless you count games like Aion or Rift serious. Which is erm similar to calling Steven Segall movies serious :/

They are NOT "serious" games, they are silly and definately not-serious just in a diffrent way than WoW is.

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Posted: Oct 22nd 2011 4:45PM wwolfneo said

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and Pandamonium will rain down upon all the non-believers! Kung fu panda comes to WoW! good job Blizzard good job!

Posted: Oct 22nd 2011 7:06PM (Unverified) said

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I've played WoW well since US beta, my sub has now finished and I have no plan to resub. I cant see anything in this new expac to make me want to resub. I think I will move on to D3 and SC2 - HotS, I might even try SWToR to see what it has to offer.
I think part of it is that the player base in WoW has changed not for the better in my experience and I dont feel I can relate to other guild members and the current blizzard game strategy for WoW.
I've done the hardcore 50 hours hardcore raider (Cleared most of Naxx 40) to the pro casual so I have experience from most angles.

Posted: Oct 22nd 2011 7:19PM Bladerunner83 said

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It's easy to hate on WoW, because they have the majority of the player base in the MMO world. It's hard to please everyone, especially all of the people that read these articles and assume so much without even looking into the facts for themselves. Blizzard never made any promises to the players that the game was going to be geared for the hardcore fans for the length of the games existence. Obviously they cannot appeal to the hardcore fans, because the hardcore fans are extremely picky. Why do you think some of the notable gaming developers are switching to mini-games such as Farmville and Angry Birds?

Blizzard is stuck between a rock and a hard place. To keep WoW afloat they need to be dynamic and that is exactly what they are doing being dynamic. Starcraft 2 is a hardcore game and if you read the patch notes for that game, it would be nearly impossible to tune WoW exactly like Starcraft, there is too much content. Fans want new stuff (It's a necessity for all MMOs), Blizzard gives content, players complain, Blizzard fixes the minor problems and players cry about it, "change it back to the way it was (not dynamic)". If you wanted a static world go back and play an old MMO, most of them are done with feeding fans new content. Blizzard is doing what they need to, to make WoW a viable income. I wouldn't be surprised that their purpose is to make WoW and Titan a casual game, because they are tired of dealing with all the bitchy, picky, and anal retentive hardcore fans.

Hell, some people just don't like change and that is what WoW is good at; It is the one MMO that has literally changed so much over time, while other MMOs stick with the cookie cutter MMO world, build and forget. On some occasions they add new NPCs and various quests, but a total revamp that was successful (sure they lose some 1 million subs, they still have 11 million after the Cataclysm). SWG tried to revamp their game and look what happened to them. Hardcore fans will make and break a company, If you don't want your ass kicked then appeal to the casual. If the hardcore fans don't like it, I can only suggest that you stop being so picky and stop wasting your time bitching on a Massively column, It will get you nowhere and it won't help your cause. I personally like hardcore gaming and I too miss the old WoW, but unfortunately the only MMOs available are far some hardcore, they are just time consuming and focused around PvP. When I think of a hardcore game, I look back at Baldur's Gate, that is the ideal hardcore game, and I don't expect to see any MMO come close to that in my lifetime.

Posted: Oct 24th 2011 10:42AM myhumps said

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@Bladerunner83

You're right. It's the fault of the fans for thinking pokemon and pandaria are lame.
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Posted: Oct 26th 2011 1:54PM (Unverified) said

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@myhumps lol Funny I thought it was the fans and players who paid for this after all. When all the players have left its the fans that drive and keep those bills paid. Just look at SWG, it should have died a death years ago but the fans kept that puppy going until Lucas arts screwed the license costs up on Sony.
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Posted: Oct 22nd 2011 7:41PM dafonearth said

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Tauren = Minotaurs
Worgen = Werewolves
Pandaren = Kung Fu Panda

Elves, Humans, Dwarfs, Gnomes, Trolls, Undead, Goblins, dragons, Minotaurs, Werewolves etc. have all been part of mythology, legends, or folklore. I just don't see how panda's fit in. It almost kills immersion for me. It doesn't feel like the same universe I was playing =(

I"m not trying to put a damper on anyone who's excited. Just wanted to get that out there.

Posted: Oct 22nd 2011 8:37PM doublerainbow said

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I don't think that this Panda expansion is going to be enough to counter the upcoming onslaught. There are things I like about their new design philosophy, but overall it just isn't enough.

Not to mention we don't even know how much longer Cataclysm will be for. It could continue to bleed players, and Blizzard could fail to release this faster than the rest.

Posted: Oct 22nd 2011 8:38PM doublerainbow said

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@doublerainbow

Also, their need to lock people into 12 month payment contracts with free Diablo does seem desperate.
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Posted: Oct 22nd 2011 9:56PM Doran7 said

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every expansion blizzard says the same thing,"we don't like the way people choose to copy the same builds for talents" then they compoletely screw up everything talent -wise. The trouble with this is I'm getting tired of it. I absolutely hate blizzard changing my character so dramatically every time. It's not an expansion they are after; they want to release a completely new game.. I create identities for my characters based on class and talent tree. These characters have suffered blizzard meddling through every expansion.. now you're telling me they are removing trees and making talents a one choice per 15 levels thing? how can I be removtely happy about this?

Yay Pandairians finally... but they will ruin all my other characters to add them.. and in fact many of the things they are changing you haven't touched on. I can't keep up with the game enough to enjoy it anymore. making me relearn it.. and adding expansion with so much to them that I cannot achieve my goals of course not in all areas.. but not even in one area. if I restrict myself to pvp.. I can never get all the gear that I want .. even playing ever day with alll the time I can spare.. if I want to raid and I never miss a week like last expansion I can never achieve my gear goals there...

No those goals are out the window.. because I'm going to be spending the first 3 or 4 months just relearning my classes again. Oh and being pushed back by constant changes and nerfs while I'm trying to do that.
WIll I get the expansion.. probably will I keep playing it?..I can't.. I just can't take the constant destruction of everything I'm familier with for the sake of change.

Posted: Oct 22nd 2011 11:18PM (Unverified) said

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@Doran7
Have you done any research in regards to the new talent and spec system? Players will choose a spec and gain the spec's signature abilities while leveling up without having to spend talent points in them. Talent points are used to choose abilities that will enhance the build, making it so that two players of the same class/spec can still bring something unique to the table (every spec of one class picks talents from the same tree); for example, a mage can choose between double polymorph, heavy polymorph, and poision polymorph (not entirely sure if I properly named the last one), or a hunter can choose between firing frozen arrows, arcane arrows, or venom-tipped arrows.

Really, Blizzard is giving players quality over quantity in terms of talent points now, making it harder for a player to gimp their build but easier for a player to choose the abilities they find engaging or otherwise interesting.
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Posted: Oct 23rd 2011 12:00AM PsychoBowl said

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If they don't add a Brewmaster hero class with this expansion, I swear...

Posted: Oct 24th 2011 1:52AM Stellar25 said

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@PsychoBowl Brewmaster is supposedly the tanking spec for Monks.
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Posted: Oct 23rd 2011 12:30AM NothingShocking said

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I appreciate that WoW is not the MMO for everyone, I really do. But why is it that whenever I read a WoW article on Massively 95 percent of the comments are so negative I can't make it past 3 or 4 of them? Honestly, some of you guys seem like you literally *hate* the people who work at Blizzard. I mean, I know some people don't like the direction they're taking their 7 year old game... but the fact that there are even a million people still playing a game this old let alone almost 10 tells me they must be doing something right.

Posted: Oct 23rd 2011 2:29AM Cirocco said

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My first impression is that it seems awfully familiar, kinda like Kung Fu Panda familiar. But it's WoW so it'll have its own unique personality and spin. That's not enough to wow me back, but I'm glad this will entertain many others, and possibly sway a few to return.

Posted: Oct 23rd 2011 4:05AM Marz said

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It's funny, EQ has Kermit the Frog (Froglocks)
and in EQ2 you can play Tinkerbell (Fae)

WoW let's you play a Panda that they introduced to the game BEFORE Kung Fu Panda and everyone goes crazy saying it is a kids game.

I would rather play a Panda than Tinkerbell any day.

Posted: Oct 23rd 2011 4:17AM randomepicperson said

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Panda(ren) = Stupid. It makes a decent game look comical. I love pandas. I love WoW. But NEVER have I ever thought they should mix. And they shouldn't
Monk Class = I'd have to know more detail, but looks promising.
Talent System = Very good. I dont understand some peoples problem with this.
PvE Scenarios = Basically LotRO's skirmishes by the look of it. Good.
Pandaria zone = I like. Good.
Pet Battle System = Not so. Too pokemon-ish.

Overall, I'd say this looks pretty good. 3/5. But then, I know a lot of people who understand pandas in WoW who would give it 5/5.

Posted: Oct 23rd 2011 11:39AM Sixx said

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Pandas lol, there's nothing more to say really.Looks like I have finally finished with wow for good,certainly won't be buying this expansion. Wow finally turning into an eastern trash mmo, wonder if they will make those final 5 lvls a huge grind just to fit in with the naff theme.

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