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Posted: Oct 17th 2011 8:52PM (Unverified) said

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@Janitor

"it really is just WoW in space"

And that's perfectly fine with me, and probably a few million others. I like WoW, and with the added storytelling and Star Wars universe, it will do just fine for us folks. Sorry it's not your cup of tea.
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Posted: Oct 17th 2011 8:08PM (Unverified) said

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I recieved the beta invitation for last weekened and tried it out...

Well, what can I say the game is engaging, but it being beta and not the end product I dont want to detract and or attempt to say one way or another. But for simplicity sake, it's an OK game, but I have lived through AoC, WoW and to me..as much as I hate saying it..Just feels like a WoW clone..Mind you it looks gorgeous..but damn it...

SWG ruined it for me with it's sandbox (pre-nge) so for me I cannot stand the "on-rails" experience...Hell of all things that makes star wars flippin Star Wars , I.E. the epic space battles..are now reduced to "on-rails" shooting experience. As for the guy above, I completely agree there is so much more then the light and dark and I feel like Bioware is going to shoe-horn players into strict rigid roles with little wiggle room to RP and or to at least live out "their " character.

But we have a few months left so come December I am sure the reviews will pour in.

Posted: Oct 17th 2011 8:33PM Lucidus said

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@(Unverified) On rails is awesome, especially with 50 of your closest friends needing to kill the same mobs are you do.
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Posted: Oct 17th 2011 8:35PM Janitor said

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@(Unverified) it is just WoW in space. my comment above, like i said, i did the beta twice. its not fun because the formula is just so old for me now. It will still have a lot of subs, no doubt, but nothing new is added. The voice acting might be new but I mean....reading text is faster and I prefer to read then wait when it comes to videogames; if I wanted to watch a movie...I'd watch one.
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Posted: Oct 17th 2011 10:32PM Bhima said

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Bioware actually has some pretty fun light-side/dark-side choices to make that do, to some degree change parts of the story. I rolled a jedi and got bored quickly but then I decided to roll a Sith Warrior but make choices like I was actually someone that hated the Sith. I'm able to make ethical choices of my choosing without being so blindly tied to the "light side". Too bad your choices don't ultimately change who you are... THIS would have been the innovation the game needs. Hell, it basically has the blueprints to have happen they just need to flip the switch and allow you to be neutral at one point and then you can move to either the republic or empire. Hell the classes are mirror images anyways so, I really think this would have helped make the game feel much richer than the standard 2-faction game it is.
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Posted: Oct 18th 2011 7:25AM MrSquiggles said

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@Bhima

Just wanted to reply and say that is a very novel idea. Maybe it's something they will consider in the future. Some good thoughts!
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Posted: Oct 18th 2011 5:47PM Emolition said

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@Janitor Voice is what mmos need reading stinks tried reading in lotro gave up before lvl 10 for im a slow reader take to long. Played over 20 diffrent mmos probebly and never followed the story exept in DCUO that was voiced. So this game is what i been waiting forever for to come.

And for being wow in space dont think so its mmo in space (and even that is a lie as you on the planets not much in space) saying wow in space you could just as well say EQ in space or AoC in space every mmo is the same that is mmorpg just minor diffrences.
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Posted: Oct 17th 2011 8:11PM Tizmah said

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Here we go, Massively sensationalizing stuff. Well, what do I expect.


All I can say is, read in context people. Read in CONTEXT.

Posted: Oct 17th 2011 8:13PM gravy69 said

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Quote- "fair, reasonable tax and regulatory structure the government here [in Ireland] has provided for us which creates an entrepreneurial environment [...] which is a big bonus," Muzyka explains.

this is why the unemployment is so high, co. are taking there business overseas thanks EA and bioware : )

Posted: Oct 17th 2011 8:18PM Nenene said

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@gravy69
I wasn't going to mention it, but you noticed that too, eh?
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Posted: Oct 17th 2011 8:50PM NeSBiT said

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@gravy69 Bioware is Canadian...
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Posted: Oct 17th 2011 8:56PM gravy69 said

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@NeSBiT
its cool but the us isnt the only country having unemployment issues, what i was pointing out was the fact that business find the cheapest local to work in and brag about it.
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Posted: Oct 17th 2011 8:56PM (Unverified) said

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@gravy69

Quote- "fair, reasonable tax and regulatory structure the government here [in Ireland] has provided for us which creates an entrepreneurial environment [...] which is a big bonus," Muzyka explains.

Translation: "The Irish government gave us money and tax breaks, and we don't have to pay employees much."
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Posted: Oct 17th 2011 8:15PM ijoemomma said

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For what it's worth I'll confirm that statement. I haven't logged into wow more than a couple of times since I played swtor.

Posted: Oct 17th 2011 8:30PM Thrishmal said

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Having played both Beta weekends and starting one of the most viewed topics on this very subject on the second beta weekend, I can say the statement has a lot of credibility. They are probably referencing my thread, actually.

The overall sentiment from first weekend testers was that it was difficult to get back into their previous game of choice for at least a week or two after the close of beta. The story in SWTOR is very engaging and just draws you in. When going to other games, you really find them lacking in that department.

Now, if you are not the type of person to get drawn into a story, then you may not feel that way about it. If you are a person with an active imagination that enjoys being drawn into a story, well, then chances are you will enjoy it much more than any other MMO you have played.

Different people are going to feel different ways about a game based on how they play it. For someone like me and many others who were in the beta, the experienced really raised the bar for MMOs.

Posted: Oct 17th 2011 8:38PM Lucidus said

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@Thrishmal There are stories in other MMOs, you just have to read most of them. And being a reader I've read those quests and Bioware really isn't giving out content any different from those.
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Posted: Oct 17th 2011 8:51PM NeSBiT said

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@Lucidus Do you get to pick your reply in those games?
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Posted: Oct 17th 2011 8:58PM (Unverified) said

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@Lucidus

Some people would rather go see the movie than read the book. You are making the same point as the poster you quoted. To each his own.
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Posted: Oct 17th 2011 8:59PM Thrishmal said

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@Lucidus

While true that there are stories in other MMOs, the stories tend to be more immersive in SWTOR for two reasons:

1. The ability to choose from a series of responses. Most MMOs just give you a chunk of story with a quest and then a single option to progress the quest text or to accept it. In SWTOR you get a series of responses to choose from, letting you set the tone of the conversation and even alter the outcome. As an example, the choices I made in one quest gave me a better reward at the end than following another path. The outcome of a conversation can be vastly different depending on your choices during that conversation.

2. The immersiveness of voice acting. With pretty much every single line of dialogue tied to a piece of voice acting, you can both read AND hear the story. This engages more sensory organs and brings you more fully into the world. It is a very engaging experience and far better, in my opinion, than simply reading the text, which is still an option.

Random side note: You can still read over quest text or lore found around the planets. Sometimes the quest text will differ a bit from the conversation you had with the character and can be a great supplemental read.
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Posted: Oct 17th 2011 9:03PM Threecubed said

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@Lucidus

If you're comparing the quests to places like Duskwood, Ashenvale, and Darkshore in WoW, then sure, the objectives and the writing of the stories alone is as well-written to the writing in TOR.

However, there some sort of connection that hearing someone talk and seeing a story take place that makes what BioWare does in TOR much more compelling, and watching the conversations and making choices is totally different than just reading all of the quests in a WoW zone or in LOTRO. Believe me, you can just read the quest text outside of most MMO games and get the same feelings as if you were playing. You cannot get the whole experience in TOR, as you'll be missing out on the context and the characters.

Interesting plots are usually not enough to make someone invest in a story, you need good characters and a compelling setting to really drive it home. Duskwood is really the only zone in any MMO that I've seen to come close to what I'm talking about.
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